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Retouched/Repaired Notes?

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 Posted 12/01/2015  6:10 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Skippy Topaz to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Saw a graded note on ebay that said there was a comment by PMG about it being retouched. I know some collectors avoid Net/Apparent notes, does that also apply to retouched/repaired notes? Are they notes to stay away from or are there certain repairs that are acceptable?
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 Posted 12/01/2015  6:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a complicated question. Very high-denomination and rare notes in many series, both large and small size, are traded actively even if damaged or repaired (net notes). As an example, say a small-size $500 Gold Certificate or a large-size Lazy Deuce. For typically common notes of both sizes, however, it is usually best to avoid damaged examples however tempting the price might be - you will generally lose on eventual resale.

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 Posted 12/01/2015  9:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Groszy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Coinfrog. However, it is your collection. If you've no intention of selling, and want to amass a more complete collection without worrying over the grade (as in the old adage of "buy high grade first as opposed to low grade, since you'll just want to upgrade those coins/notes in the future"), then go for it!

If however, you can get a note for a crazy low price (i.e., in my personal experience, got a Fractional Note, not too-too bad of shape, for about $6 at a local auction), then you really can't go wrong.
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 Posted 12/02/2015  12:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Skippy Topaz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the replies. It sounds like I want to avoid repaired notes. I'm just going to leave them.to my kids at some point in the future and would like them to be as good as can be and not have anything detrimental to their value popping up when (and if) they ever want to sell them.

Thanks again :-)
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 Posted 02/02/2016  01:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xtraelv to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Depends on what you are collecting. There are certain notes where if you wait till a high grade note arrives you will be waiting forever. For modern notes it is all about grade. For old notes it is very dependent on how many were issued and how many are still in existence. Professional grading has traditionally been popular among US issued notes. That market is very different to - for instance the Australian or Pacific markets. A collector with one of the largest and most valuable Pacific collections once told me to buy only notes that you would love to own even if they became worth nothing. Then it doesn't matter what you pay for them - they will always be worth it. It is paper and a collectable and any vlue attributed to it is purely speculative. If it is rare and you like it then buy it in any grade. You can always use it to trade with another collector. It is easier to get notes that you want that are not for sale if you have something that the owner desperately wants. The problem with repaired and "apparent" notes is that repaired notes can deteriorate badly if chemicals were used and "apparent" means it looks good but is really a lower grade.
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As someone new to the currency hobby and having learned some lessons the hard way (a 1934 $1000 FRN coming back as AU55 NET due to "closed pin holes" and only in hindsight using a light could I see the issue. Or even a 1907 $5 Wood Chopper coming back as "retouched", heck, I still can't figure out what was "retouched") old posts such as these are very insightful/helpful to the novice collector as lessons are being learned...costly as they may be. I am assuming I should be apologizing to the more "learned" or "seasoned" collector at having to re-read drivel that no longer has any bearing what with such "expertise" long since garnered at this point? But for those "learned" "seasoned" collectors who have a genuine interest in helping "newbies", both I and my wallet thank you for re-posting all advice and insight. It is certainly appreciated by my inexperience.
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