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Silver Dollar Prices More Resiliant To Declines In Silver?

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 Posted 12/09/2015  01:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The problem is that when Silver hit it's highs, many if not most dealers were buying very close to spot; in order to be competitive. Even cull silver dollars were being bought at well over $30. Common uncs which had been selling as low as $17 for 21 Morgans and Most Peace dollars, were now all selling for $40 to $50.

Dealers got used to the "new norm". They have very grudgingly reduced the price of their Silver dollars because they had gotten used to the new 'price point" AND because many had paid a high premium for those they had in stock.

Full disclosure. I am a Dealer.

Most dealers that I know in the Midwest buy Silver dollars at about $10 to $12 each. The selling price around here is about $22. On the west coast, I can buy them for $16 to $18; however, most dealers I talk to are buying them at a much tighter profit margin.

A note about dealers and "price points". One year we had a large surplus of "Red Books". The new editions were due out in less than 2 months and the boss wanted me to put ours on the net to sell them. He wouldn't let me discount them at first. After FOUR WEEKS of no sells. He allowed me to discount them. I did and we sold about half. Then one day I accidently put an auction up, using my old template, and didn't change the price on a BIN. ONE of seven sold. The boss was ecstatic. He told me that now that I had "Established a new price point", that all subsequent sales would be at that price point. We never sold another book. They still sit in the basement.

There are a lot of greedy people out there that would rather sell one item for $20 instead of 20 items at $10.
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 Posted 12/09/2015  09:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@jmkendall the dealers I like price common gold and silver on daily spot. The best of them has an electronic readerboard displaying buy and sell. But I can feel their pain looking at deadstock common gold they bought in a high market that has been sitting for years, with high set markups over bullion. Someday it has to move, and I've seen the markups come off so that will happen, but usually that's at the point where it's going to the refiner.
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 Posted 12/09/2015  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I use spot as my price point for common and cull silver as well. Most of the other dealers around here do too. Again for common and cull silver. That's our bread and butter. The gravy comes from buying premium coins at spot and selling them at grey sheet.
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 Posted 12/09/2015  5:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add terry8835 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What is the turn over for silver stock for most dealers? My LCS sells bags of junk silver as fast as he can get it. His more expensive coins don't turn over near as fast. I asked him about a certain coin a few months ago and he still had it on Tuesday. His expensive Morgans don't move all that fast. There are not that many who want to spend a couple of thousand dollars for a coin no matter what. It is a small and specialized market of those with the money to really collect the rare coins. If $100,000 bucks suddenly materialized in your bank account would you spend it on a coin?
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 Posted 12/10/2015  11:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add barryg to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One LCS that I used to visit prices his Morgan dollars based on what APMEX currently buys and sells them for. Right now, APMEX has common date Morgan dollars in AG condition at $23, despite the fact that silver is currently around $14 and each dollar only has about $11 worth of silver in it. BU Morgan dollars are selling for around $43. The price for the BU dollars in particular has been very resistant to change, although it has fallen from $49 to $46 and now to $43 over the last 6 months or so. I keep saying that if the price of BU Morgans ever drops to a "reasonable" level I'll pick up a bag of 100, but it has a ways to go before it reaches that point (if ever).
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 Posted 12/10/2015  11:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One of the appealing things about Morgans is getting a rare VAM on the cheap. Added support for selling them at a premium.
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What I've noticed: My LCS sells "junk" silver for 13.5x face. However, the junk bin never has dollars... only halves, quarters, & dimes. Morgans & Peace dollars go for minimum $20. their argument is If you truly are buying junk silver for pm content, it shouldn't matter what denomination it's in.

If you're buying for numismatic value, they have better examples readily available then anything you'll find in the junk bin. I have to admit, I've pulled quite a few nice (although common date) Walkers from these bins on more than a couple of occasions.

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 Posted 12/10/2015  3:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The silver dollar coins do have more silver than two half dollars, four quarters, or ten dimes.
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 Posted 12/10/2015  3:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CopperCastle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The silver dollar coins do have more silver than two half dollars, four quarters, or ten dimes.

Good point! It never occured to me that Mercury's (for example) are 2.5g x (10)=25g
Morgan & Peace =26.73

However...(Correct me if I'm wrong) Flowing Hair halves, Draped Bust halves & Capped bust halves (pre 1836) are 13.48g x (2)=26.96, slightly more silver in 2 of these than a Morgan dollar? But what are the odds of getting any of these 3 varieties @ melt.

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 Posted 12/10/2015  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I have never seen one of those in the junk bin. If I had, certain 7070 holes might have been filled faster.
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