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I see references made on other sites of some value to having a small white holder for coins from Anacs just wondering why the older ones are held in such esteem ?
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History and age. The SWH with the ANA (gold) label (Conder101's ANACS11) were made from Feb 1989 to early 1990 when ANACS was sold to Amos Press. So a coin slabbed in those holders hasn't been messed with in 25 years. It's the same as the PCGS OHG... There is a belief that grading has loosened since then and the older holders will upgrade. It is not automatic, however... The really interesting thing about old like that is it that they basically come in two flavors due to the history of the individual coin. One population of holders has been picked over many many times by owners and dealers and nobody's been willing to resubmit it or they have resubmitted it and it quietly failed to meet the minimum. It may have just barely been a 64 back then and is today a solid 64 (maybe even CACable), but it will not make 65. The second population are the coins that have been off the market for 25 years, and those are the ones that are highly likely to upgrade. -----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/ |
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And they are just so darned cute.
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They were really the first TPG to encapsulate coins in a holder, their standards were generally regarded as pretty tight for the time, and the holders take up so much less room than the ones out today, making them my favorite holders still. I also like the SEGS holder for the top information showing in boxes, makes it quite easy to know what coin you are pulling. Always liked the ICG holders for their intercept inserts, but both SEGS & ICG now leave a lot to be desired in grading consistency. NGC holders are just way too big for my tastes, though I have coins in all of them, I buy the coin not the holder TPG's be damned, I can authenticate/grade my own coins, but in a high dollar one it sure is nice to have them protected in a TPG, especially a top tier like PCGS or NGC when selling. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2˘ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Quote:They were really the first TPG to encapsulate coins in a holder, No they came rather late to the slabbing game. They didn't start putting coins in slabs until late 1989. That's five years after ACG, Three years after PCGS, two years after NGC and after several of the other smaller services. |
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No they came rather late to the slabbing game. They didn't start putting coins in slabs until late 1989. That's five years after ACG, Three years after PCGS, two years after NGC and after several of the other smaller services. DOH! I knew that.  I meant to say they were the first company to offer an independent grading service, but as to using the slabs, I do know they were 3 years after PCGS. I never really counted ACG. Off hand do you know when the large Photo Slabs were made? I think that was pre-Heritage by Jim Halprin, though I could be wrong. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2˘ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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I believe the small white holders were used until 2000 or so. BStrauss3 was referring to a specific variety of small white holder for 1989 and 1990. IIRC they were used for many years after that but the labels were slightly different.
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2000 is SIGNIFICANTLY different from 1989 as they were then owned by Amos Press (until 2007 when they were sold to Anderson Press). But yes, the SWH went away in 2000. It's easy to tell them apart: the give away is the gold ANA hologram vs. the black with red (or green later on) A from Amos. Also the ANA logo (or the Amos A) is impressed inside the front shell. -----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/ |
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Off hand do you know when the large Photo Slabs were made? I think that was pre-Heritage by Jim Halprin, though I could be wrong. ACG pioneered the large photoslabs in 1984. Jim Halperin's firm NCI debuted in Dec 1984 but used photocertificates at first not slabs. When he did start using slabs they were not photoslabs but did still come with photocertificates. And Heritage existed before NCI. NCI was located in Heritage's building, but Heritage claims there was no connection between the two. Quote:
I believe the small white holders were used until 2000 or so. The small white holders were used for problem free and net graded coins until Feb 2005 when the larger round bottom blue label slabs were introduced for problem free coins only. They continued using the small white slabs for problem coins until Sept of 2007 when they began putting both problem and problem fee coins in the same flat bottom blue label slabs. Edited by Conder101
12/18/2015 11:19 am
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Edited by biokemist6
12/18/2015 12:06 pm
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They've also been known to put a little color on a coin or two   |
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Ring around the Morgan... |
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 Thats a REAL nice morgan! |
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The Ben is an ANACS - 1989/1990 timeframe.
The 1c at s/n 2xxxxxx is towards the end of tne SWH so 1999/2000 era
-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/ |
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The cent has a 19 character barcode so it is after April 1 2001. Before that they had 17 character codes.
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