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Just added this Bela III coin to the collection AE 23 (Rezpenz) Kingdom of Hungary Bela III (Arpad Dynasty) 1172-1196 23mm x 1.4 grams x 10h Reference: Huszar 73 This coin with it's Pseudo-Arabic script was struck to give to the Hungarian troops for use in the Holy Lands during the 3rd Crusade.   |
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Now there's a coin type you don't see everyday. And a really nice example. Good pickup, Ron.
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Thanks, Bela III had an interesting life. He almost became emperor of the Byzantine empire. Manuel I had no heir, Bela was sent to Constantinople to the court of Manuel I. Manuel liked Bela and he planned to have his daughter marry him and make Bela heir to the throne. But than it happened that Manuel had a male heir and the marriage was cancelled and Bela's chance to the throne was nixed.
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great coin , I did not know this kind of coins existed.albert
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Its a new one to me... nice to see you are adding new types to your collection Ron. A diverse collection it must be, congratulations.
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Nice coin, congratulations! :) This is one of my favourite medieval!
Always good to see a hungarian coin in the forum!
During the Árpád Dinasty, we have only 2 copper coins. This coins are very interesting, because no one knows why they are made it. There are only assumptions, but they struck for use in Hungary, not for the troops.
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Baltas, I see that you are in Hungary I am very interested in learning more about Bela III any information you can provide would be appreciated. I had read that these coins were struck for the 3rd Crusades, you say that where for use in your country. Why would they strike coins that resembled Islamic ones?
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Bela III. was one of the greatest king of Hungary. Unfortunatley we don't have contemporary written sources about his copper coins (rezpenz - rez=copper, penz=money). As you can see, this time in Hungary they used silver denár, and silver obolus (obol = half denár). These coins are very very small ones.   So we have many open questions... But after Bela III. the next king Imre struck only silver coins and the people use this copper coins for decorations, probably thats why we have a lot of punched ones.  ...or just thrown away...  The other type is a cup coin like scyphatus.   About the Pseudo-Arabic type: one view is, this time in Hungary lived an economically significant Muslim population and they don't like Christian symbols and human representation (like cup type). But! the problem is the same: we didn't have sufficient evidence about this significant population. |
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nice new coin ski! I'm kind of a bela iii fan, I've wanted one of his pseudo-arabic coins for quite some time...and just picked this one myself last month. a bit rough, but not to bad...  i picked this up from the same dealer. I don't know much about this coins, other than they are called bracteates. they are VERY thin silver coins of about this era. the obverse is just the incuse of the reverse. this one is attributed to bela iii-through his grandson bela iv. I don't know if they were minted over a long period or they just never nailed down who it "belonged" to. maybe baltas will know?  Bela III - Bela IV of Hungary, 1172-1270 AD, AR Bracteate Head right, reverse incuse of obverse. Unger 122. 16 mm, 0.4 g - See more at: http://s1241.photobucket.com/user/c...7w4Ef0d.dpuf |
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This really turned into an educational, and well-illustrated thread. Thanks Echizento, Baltas, and Chris. Great coins, all.
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Nice ones Chris. I git to get one of those Bela IV.
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The holes: After Bela III. none of the kings made copper denar. So the people stop using like money, they use it for decoration, etc. Bracteates is one sided coins, because the flan is too thin. We do not know yet who it belonged to. This is why the interval.     |
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That's what I thought. There must have been a lot of these coins struck.
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Awesome coin Ron! This is a great example of the type. Certainly you set the bar high for someone wanting to acquire one of these. Excellent coins and a very informative thread, thanks for the additions Baltas.
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