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1632-39 Scotland 2 Pence Question?

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Does anyone know how 15th Century coins of Scotland were struck?

I have this 2 pence that looks as if it could be a curved clipped planchet error.
Would this type of error even be in the realm of possibility in the era these coins were struck?

Any information would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!






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 Posted 12/17/2015  08:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UKPennyHunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not an error from the mint, but a clip from someone who probably clipped all their silver coins just once until they had a nice little bag of clips then traded that in for something, probably more coins haha.

That way you can still spend the coin for face value, and make a little bit on top. There were measures in place to try and stop this such as extending part of the design to the rim so that it became obvious when a coin was clipped (although this one is nice and obvious, normally they're a little more discreet), however people still did things such as punching a full hole into the middle of the coin, pocketing the piece of silver that's been removed and then filling in the hole with tin or something similar.
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This coin is a twopence or 'turner' or 'bodle', with a 'Scottish' crown, with a jewelled band in the arches, (S 5599).

The coinange of 1629 should be copper, not silver.
If this coin is made of copper, there can be little motivation to clip it for bullion metal.

A clip error, (curved or straight) is still a possibility at the time this coin was struck, even with the copper coinage.
The coin is labelled as 'Cu' on the 2x2, and so the most likely possibility in this case, is that this coin is an error,
not a clandestine post mint clip ( PMD), to recover some of the metal.

What is it's approximate diameter, to the nearest millimeter?
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I stand corrected! While it was prolific during the hammered coin period, this was indeed a copper coin and as Sel rightly says they probably wouldn't have cut it in that case.

I assumed it was silver from the pictures, school boy error.
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sel_69l is right, the coin is struck in copper (Cu) not silver (Ag) as UKPennyHunter suggested in his theory. If the coin were silver, then that would be the most likely explanation for the missing clip.



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What is it's approximate diameter, to the nearest millimeter?


sel_69l, the coin is approx 16 mm in diameter and weighs almost .60 grams by my scale.



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I was also wanting to know what your opinions are, as to the overall condition of the coin and what it might possibly grade?

Thanks!
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I have a rather very worn turner of the period, and at 16mm diameter, it matches up to mine.
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I think this grades GVF/AEF.
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