1884-O Morgan

MS63

This coin looks like it has nice luster. The strike is weak, but the details on the obverse are pretty good, especially in the crown and the stalks above the LIBERTY motto on the crown, which also looks pretty sharp.

If the reverse breast feathers are as blurry as they look, it might drop to MS62. Ditto if the reverse below the religious motto and above in the STATES OF is as messy as it looks. Miss L's cheek looks banged around too much for a MS64, taking into account a weak strike.

Am I missing something here? I would have only given this a 61 tops the rim seems to be fairly banged up with one larger ding. there is a significant scratch across the wing and there appears to be some heavy scuffing in Liberty's hairline.

Its a good job I don't collect Morgans as I don't know diddly about them [:-)]

Rick, I have to go along with the crowd - too much bag noise on both sides. MS-61 or MS-62, the latter most likely. If you caught PCGS on a good day, maybe MS-63, but I think that would be stretching it a bit. That almost-horizontal line on the upper wing (primaries = flight feathers) of the Eagle's left wing (our right), if that's what is being described as a scratch, is part of the design although I don't know why it's there - it's not anatomically ornithologically correct.

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Originally posted by Metalman

Hey Fred

I cant believe that you would pick on my coins like this!!

Seriously the only reason I bought this one is for the die crack, If the grade is 62 so be it, still a bargain at 30 bucks !!

Any way both of these O mint coins have die cracks,, Thats interesting to me !! This one runs from the M of unum thru the bun across the top of the head and ends at the L in Liberty !!

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I can't see the die crack, but will presume it's there. But, yeah, it is interesting. Makes me wonder what kind of operation was being run at the no mint. In any event, you got a good deal on both O's.

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By the way !!! whats the 15 for ?

Kinda silly signature if you ask me !!!

Rick

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Oh ye of so little faith. Watch what happens Monday! will be swaying in the 15 breeze!

Fred

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Originally posted by Connecticoin

Looks like a 62 -- nice luster, but the chatter and the weaker strike (lack of breast feathers) limit the grade.

The rim ding on the obverse would probably bodybag it at NGC or PCGS. MS-66 at NTC!

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Good point, Connecticoin. The question of how much of a rim ding will bodybag a coin is my personal major question for James Taylor of ANACS when he joins us in January. While my question won't be so much for MS coins and more for circulated coins which have encountered dings as part of everyday wear and tear, I'm sick and tired of having PCGS bodybag perfectly good circulated coins which happen to have minor rim dings. In the instance of this particular Morgan, I think it may be a toss-up whether or not PCGS or NGC would reject the coin since the ding is small.

Going one step further, if this coin were submitted to SGS ("America's Grading Company"), we could easily get back an MS-69 or MS-70, maybe even higher!

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Originally posted by Susanlynn9

I don't think a rim ding of any size will get it bodybagged at ANACS. One of their strongest selling points is that they will grade damaged coins, so that a submitter will get at least a detail grade with a qualifier. I find it very hard to believe that ANACS will change that policy.

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I shudda excepted ANACS with the qualification that it will still slab almost all coins with annotations of the defects and referred specifically to NGC and PCGS for body-bags. Also, my question to Mr. Taylor should be refined to ask to what degree a normally circulated coin with rim dings or other circulation wear needs to be impaired to acquire the "damaged" label.