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Seeking Advice On How PCGS Shot This Coin

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I recently purchased a 1896 S Half that has Proof Like qualities but has been circulated; it's in a PCGS AU 58 holder. PCGS Trueview Images were available for the coin and I shot images of the coin myself. When I shoot a Proof Coin the devices turn frosty white and the field turns black. When I shot the coin the devices did turn out white and the field mostly black, with the exception of the light circulation scratches and some die polish marks.

The PCGS Trueview image looks quite different; the whole coin is bronze toned (white balance off?) and the devices are darker than the fields. I don't have any idea how I would shoot the coin to achieve that look- is the image just manipulated or is there some technique to achieve the look?



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It's all in the lighting

Here are images of the same coin and all I did was to move the light source (OTT light) around .

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 Posted 12/21/2015  1:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The PCGS "look" seems to have a fair amount of axial content, but also has other lighting to bring out luster and details. Axial lighting gives bright fields on proof or prooflike coins.
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I'll try moving the lights around to see what happens. Thanks for the advice!
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I've always thought PCGS "tru view" images are not from one shot but multiple shots with multiple lighting techniques photoshopped to combine the best of all views. These tru view shots are not true. The coins in hand look nothing like the pictures.
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Couldn't agree more about the Trueview Images- the really should be called Glamorized View.
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trout1105 question for you here in Canada there is 2 types of ottlite bulbs. the tube lite. this is what kanga uses here. the other is a spiral pigtail or CFL. if you would not mind. which one do you use and what wattages 13 watts or larger. thank you
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trout1105 question for you here in Canada there is 2 types of ottlite bulbs. the tube lite. this is what kanga uses here. the other is a spiral pigtail or CFL. if you would not mind. which one do you use and what wattages 13 watts or larger. thank you


I use 2 of them and they are the 13w tube types.
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The PCGS "look" seems to have a fair amount of axial content, but also has other lighting to bring out luster and details. Axial lighting gives bright fields on proof or prooflike coins.


What Ray said
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Regardless of the type of lighting used, that is a BEAUTY of a Barber Half!
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@ trout1105: An excellent demonstration on the use of light.
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My theory on marketing is that many things are unfortuantly intentially named the exact opposite of what they are. Reading the above I'm not surprised "Trueview" may be a composite or had a lot of photoshop.

How does the coin look in hand compared to the PCGS photo?

And yes it is a very nice coin and a tough year in the Barber series!
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I agree with Ray. This is pretty typical axial lighting, characterized by bright fields and darker devices. To brighten the device up for details and/or to show luster, directly lighting can be used and was used in this case.

The photo below is a gilt medal, which is extremely difficult to shoot with direct lighting only. Axial light plus diffused direct light was used to lighten up the field as well as bringing out details and luster on the device.


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Another photo of proof gilt medal, using mainly axial lighting, from a coin photo buddy. Again, no PS was done on the photo.


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JeffMTampa - can we see a follow up photo from different lighting angles you have tried? I would love to hear what you have experimented with and what your results were
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