Really An MS-66 Or Is There Fraud Going On? 2003 Loon - Page 3

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Canacoins Pillar of the Community Canada 955 Posts	Posted 01/26/2016 03:02 am Glad to be of service Trout Report this Post to the Staff
nickelsguy Pillar of the Community Canada 2301 Posts	Posted 01/28/2016 1:10 pm SPP are you telling me the ding on the loons head is pre-strike remnants? I Cant Correctly See dropped the ball huge here IMO. No recourse. Maybe switched...no recourse. Go figure. Report this Post to the Staff
SPP-Ottawa Moderator Canada 10464 Posts	Posted 01/28/2016 5:53 pm Mike, have you forgotten how ICCS grades? Since when do they look at the reverse that closely? Besides, I told you this - ICCS like clean fields, they are very harsh with marks in the fields, and forgiving on the devices... A good portion of the Canadian collector base like that style of grading. Like I said earlier, it is almost impossible to find a 2003 or 2004 loon dollar without these "ghost marks" on them... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert Oppenheimer Content of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_US My eBay store Report this Post to the Staff
Pacificoin Pillar of the Community Canada 5405 Posts	Posted 01/28/2016 6:06 pm Have been a supporter of ICCS since their inception. Lately especially with dollars they are all over the roadmap. Looks like they have finally surrendered and are now market grading like NGC and PCGS. YUK to an old timer like me. Right now based on the last two years of submission ANACS are the only ones still strictly applying the old standards to silver dollars. Will agree with Roger that eye appeal has a place in evaluating a coins value but certainly not the technical grade. Welcome to the brave new world of market grading. Edited by Pacificoin 01/28/2016 6:08 pm Report this Post to the Staff
moxking Rest in Peace United States 17900 Posts	Posted 01/28/2016 6:12 pm Even worse is when you need to explain to a newer collector that there is not a single way to grade. Then factor in how 'eye appeal' is a floating standard that's virtually impossible to agree on. Report this Post to the Staff
Pacificoin Pillar of the Community Canada 5405 Posts	Posted 01/28/2016 6:15 pm Could not agree more Moxking. Report this Post to the Staff
macdon Valued Member Canada 495 Posts	Posted 01/29/2016 06:21 am and wait till newcomers get into the Red/Brown issue Report this Post to the Staff
Pacificoin Pillar of the Community Canada 5405 Posts	Posted 01/29/2016 10:17 am with purple toning and cobalt blue mixed in with the RED Brown. Oh boy,! Report this Post to the Staff
SPP-Ottawa Moderator Canada 10464 Posts	Posted 01/29/2016 10:25 am Quote: With purple toning and cobalt blue mixed in with the RED Brown. Oh boy! You mean, like this one? PCGS graded it MS-66 Brown, the surfaces are absolutely pristine... any takers on what the ICCS certificate was for this same coin? "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert Oppenheimer Content of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_US My eBay store Report this Post to the Staff
SPP-Ottawa Moderator Canada 10464 Posts	Posted 01/29/2016 10:30 am Or this one... what do you think ICCS graded this one as? It is now in a PCGS holder (and correctly graded, in my opinion), what grade do you think each TPG gave it? "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert Oppenheimer Content of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_US My eBay store Report this Post to the Staff
trout1105 Pillar of the Community Australia 7096 Posts	Posted 01/29/2016 10:32 am Quote: PCGS graded it MS-66 Brown, the surfaces are absolutely pristine... any takers on what the ICCS certificate was for this same coin? I wouldn't be at all surprised if ICCS had this graded as MS65. Congratulations on the single finest grading Report this Post to the Staff
Pacificoin Pillar of the Community Canada 5405 Posts	Posted 01/29/2016 10:56 am Roger what a wonderful way of putting my words into your pictures. What a pretty 1924. Exactly what I meant! Knowing how ICCS looks at copper. Probably MS 64 lustrous Brown or trace red. I have a 1926 like your 24 . ICCS called it 64 trace red. The 1940 Newfoundland is a stunning piece. Nice! Edited by Pacificoin 01/29/2016 10:58 am Report this Post to the Staff
jdmern Pillar of the Community United States 1949 Posts	Posted 01/29/2016 11:02 am Quote: PCGS graded it MS-66 Brown, the surfaces are absolutely pristine... any takers on what the ICCS certificate was for this same coin? Or this one... what do you think ICCS graded this one as? It is now in a PCGS holder (and correctly graded, in my opinion), what grade do you think each TPG gave it? I can see those both being graded at one time 'ICCS MS62 Lustrous Browns' I actually prefer the look on the Canada Small cents that blueish brown like your 1924, beautiful piece! Boardwalk Numismatics http://stores.ebay.com/jdmern/ https://boardwalknumismatics.com Report this Post to the Staff
Everest Pillar of the Community Taiwan 606 Posts	Posted 01/29/2016 11:03 am 1940 NFLD: ICCS 63 Lustrous Brown. PCGS 65 Brown Report this Post to the Staff
jdmern Pillar of the Community United States 1949 Posts	Posted 01/29/2016 11:03 am P.S. I would guess the NFLD small cent at MS65 Brown as a PCGS coin? Boardwalk Numismatics http://stores.ebay.com/jdmern/ https://boardwalknumismatics.com Report this Post to the Staff
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