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1858 10 Cent ?

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At first I thought this was just graffiti on this coin, but it turns out the line is raised.

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01/17/2016 6:26 pm
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 Posted 01/17/2016  6:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If this is an 1858, are you sure it is not a fake? It does not look like right OBV for that year. The upper lip and letters in Gratia do not look right
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I looked at the 1858 on the C and C website. The nose could be do to the wear of the coin and the letters of Canada look the same, the "A" seems to be dropped out of line
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Well, if the lines are raised as they look and as you say, it would have to be a defaced die, and there were likely more struck and it would be fair to assume another would exist with the exact same lines. Need better close ups of the lines to be sure.
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It could be wear, but the serif's just don't look right on many of the letters, C in victoria, E in DEI and many others. I am looking at charleton's, but this is not an area I am too familiar with. Perhaps some of the others know better.
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Here's just in front of the forehead


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Between neck and chin

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Can you show the rev?
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Looks like a sharp deep old cut worn back over. just a guess
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I think it's a sharp cut at an angle as well. Especially in the forehead are. The last resort is to get even closer and clearer pictures, because I'm not convinced its a defaced die, rather the coin itself is defaced. It's a bit of an optical illusion, because the line is raised, but from from sharp cuts, just my opinion.
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If it is a raised feature it must be a scratched die---- but it shows no wear putting it in PMD .
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I am now convinced it is PMD. 1--The line shows a furrow besides and almost under the line. 2---Notice the darknes besides the line, even though other shadows do not show on the face. 3---the line follows roughly the contours of the face. 4---No other examples on 10c like these. 5---Possible cutting tools could be razor blades or Xacto knife. 6---The line is not worn at all, as compared to the coin general wearage. The PMD is later than the mintage date. 7----The line is the exact hue of the silver coin itself, therefore silver itself. 8---I'm willing to put money where mt mouth is.9---The line does not extend under any legends.
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I have a USB microscope on the way I will get some close ups and see what I find. If you look at the base of the bust at the back of the neck there is a line that runs from the back of neck as well. Will post pictures when I get the microscope.
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