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Yuan You Tong Bao?

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I'm pretty sure this coin is yuan you tong bao but can't seem to find a match for script of the top character. The coin is on the small side (about 22 mm) and thin which leads me to believe it may be Vietnamese. Reverse is plain. Any ID greatly appreciated.

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 Posted 01/24/2016  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Image is quite out of focus, so based on that, your coin resembles Toda 241, Annam, Nguyen long thong bao, 1832-1833.
Perhaps Novak 28 or 29.
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Sorry for the poor quality, it was taken through a loupe. Albert, thanks for looking, I agree the top character is similar but the bottom looks different to me than toda 241
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Sorry I was wrong.
Can you somehow get a clearer picture of the bottom character?
I'll give it another try.
Don't limit your search to Viet Nam or China alone.
Perhaps no doubt you coin probably is one of those, all I mean is it can pay to branch out and search Korea, Taiwan, Japan too.
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Here's a tip.
Your coin may resemble a Japanese coin.
I found a number of them with the running script at the top.
Kyushu which imitates Chinese Yuan You Tong Bao coinage.
See what you can find along this sort of line, there could be one on ebay I saw.
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Here is the coin Albert is referring to. It is in imitaion of the North Song "Yuan Feng Tong Bao."

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The OP has a correct attribution. It looks like a genuine North Song Coin. I believe I have about 20-30 or so of these. Very common.

Just out of curiosity, what is the diameter and weight? If 24mm and ~2-4g, then it is a 1-cash coin. If 26-28mm and ~5-9g, them it is a 2-cash coin.
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Yuan You tong Bao, running script. You may have been looking at seal script coins.

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Sorry that delcampe picture is not the coin I was looking at in my books. But I admit I'm no expert but I know about seal and running script. I probably said the wrong word or maybe I didn't make out exactly what I was looking at. Just trying to help suggesting the coin resembles the Kyushu coin I was looking at in my book. It sure is hard when the OP is so out of focus. But I enjoy chipping in and browse my books if I can help somebody ID their coin.
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Here are some pics found online that are similar to what I had in mind:


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Thanks both of you for your efforts, it is much appreciated. I've tried to take some better photos, including a detail of the bottom character as requested. Also the coin is 22 mm and somewhere between 2 and three grams.

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Thoses two pictures Albert posted are still imitations (if they are imitations) of "Yuan Feng Tong Bao" in running script. The OP's coin definitely has the character "you" for the second character.
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I like these kinds of exchanges because when I post what I think, and then read what others have to say that know more about it, I learn and get better.
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I've done some more poking around and now believe it's actually a Vietnamese immigration with the characters Nguyen huu thong bao. It seems too small, barely 22 mm, the be the northern song cash typecoin mentioned.

Here is a coin similar that I found, but I do not know if my example is zinc or not as is the one in this photo. Any opinions much appreciated.

http://images-00.delcampe-static.ne..._001.jpg?v=1
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Remember cash coins in general can have an awful lot of varieties in which the diameters, maybe thicknesses and weights as well as the characters very
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In that case, it is probably an imitation or contemporary counterfeit. I have several that are too small to be legitimate issues and are about the size of your coin. They are also made of bronze.
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