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Maximianus Follis - Ticinum ?

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I am 99.9% sure it is real. The seller (whom I believe) assures me that it was found (Normandy) with several hundred others (1/2 Trier 1/4 "London" 1/4 Lyon). This hoard included 2 'odd balls' both of which appear to be Ticinum.
But they look like London to me ......

Ideas ?

Obv. IMP MAXIMIANVS P F AVG
Laureate and cuirassed bust right
Rv. GENIO POPV-LI ROMANI (? T in ex)
Genius standing left holding patera and cornucopia, star in field left
11.66 grams 24-5mm

Maximianus-Follis---Ticinum-?

Maximianus-Follis---Ticinum-?

The diameter is small
The flan is thick
The weight is high end range
The portrait and lettering looks like London

Curiouser and curiouser ......
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I believe the mint mark is PT with star in the left field, which makes it RIC VI Ticinum 31b
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Ron, I was thinking the same thing but the bust is laureate and cuirassed.(spread sheets list 31b as just laureate)

I don't have an actual copy of RIC for this period. I wonder if this coin is unlisted.
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Yeah, I saw that also, I was thinking it might have been just a typo on the spread sheet. As you say it might very well be unlisted. I have a copy of RIC in PDF form but it can be difficult using it. Wish I could afford the books.
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I was also thinking maybe that the spread sheets were in error but coin project has some examples of 31b and they all are laureate.

I am interested to see if any one else can shed light on this coin
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There are also several on acsearch, all with the ST mint mark. I don't think that should make much of a difference though. I wonder if the PT is a variant?
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I have RIC VI and I checked. I also compared with my example of 31b, but that is only laureate. It's not a 31b.

This coin is listed as #34 for Ticinum. It was only produced for Maximian, and the obverse is illustrated in the catalog. The mintmark is distinguished as having a dot to the right of the letter T, which appears on the very edge of this coin due to the reduced flan size. The thicker module allows the weight to stay in range.

However, RIC only lists this exceptional style for officina S, and this one is clearly T or P as someone else suggested above. If it proves to be from officina T, then it is one of the earliest pieces from that officina, since this type was in production in 298-299, and the first listings for T are for radiate fractions from 299. That would make this coin very special. Even as S it is a rare variant type, but is otherwise unlisted as you see it here.

You might wish to report this coin to Curtis Clay (at Harlan Berk Co.) who is making record of RIC unlisted coins.

Nice catch!!
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Thanks much for the insights on this one

Looking at the mint marking now I am not sure it is not a 'blundered' S.
My first impression was a reversed (blundered) P
Then it began to look like a Q which really would make it a novelty.

When this one came up for auction last month I was determined to snag it and bid considerably more than what I ended up paying.
But it seems to validate the strange Diocletian I bought from the same seller. That coin I also had some difficulty with. I started out thinking it must be fake but slowly came around to believe it to be genuine.
30mm and the alloy appears to be copper/bronze not billon.
The coin has been harshly cleaned (sellers reply was that it was in a very different encrusted state when found and that it had been cleaned by another person who claimed to be an expert)
The 'dirt' was originally brown but since the coin looked like it had been cleaned with steel wool I decided to use a darkening agent to tone down the copper. Within minutes the brown oxidation turned jet black. The only reason for that to occur must be the presence of silver.


Maximianus-Follis---Ticinum-?

Maximianus-Follis---Ticinum-?

The best explanation (my brother) is that it is overstruck on a 1st century AE As which seems improbable but not impossible !
This Maximianus has an odd look about it too. The alloy appears to be billon but seems 'rich' i.e. high silver content. Higher than the 5% which would be typical. Perhaps this is also struck over an earlier coin. It has a definite lumpiness about it that reminds me of an Alexandrian Tet.

Whatever they are I believe they validate each other.
99% of the coins in this hoard were typical (quite beautiful too) and the seller swears these came from the same find.

It has the ring of truth to it
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