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1958-D LWC - So Confused - Sand Blasted Lamination Bad Planchet?

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 Posted 02/15/2016  9:25 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CoinCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Okay, So these last few days I have really come across some unusual coins- The Dollars which I already posted - Silver State Quarter which I haven't looked into yet and now this Wheatie.

Upon just looking at the coin I noticed what I thought was lamination issue on the reverse. So I tossed it under the scope and my mouth dropped. I said OHOH a Woody and from there went to, Oh Man, PMD - via sand blasting. Well after having a round table discussion here with the family we decided that it was worth posting.

My questions?
If it were PMD via sand blasting for example could it get in all the crevices and even up and under the bust to the rim so perfectly? The striations match up from Obverse to Reverse and even some of the pattern.

Could the whole coin be a lamination error?
Is there such a thing as a bad planchet (aside from the Woody Alloy)?

I have a lot of pictures, sorry, but I was so taken a back that I had to share this and hopefully learn.

If you all decide that it is just PMD then so be it, if it turns out to be lamination that would be really cool.



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 Posted 02/15/2016  9:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would say PMD , And a possible candidate for a Woodie.
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 Posted 02/15/2016  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OcalaFlorida to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it's a little bit of both improper mixture or aka a woodie that also meet up with some environmental damage (acid based).
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 Posted 02/16/2016  01:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a lamination issue. I've seen something like that before:
1958-D-LWC---So-Confused---Sand-Blasted-Lamination-Bad-Planchet?
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 Posted 02/16/2016  05:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The parallel lines are beneath the design elements on several areas, most easily seen under the NT in CENT. Though many of those lines do affect the details to, there is sufficient evidence that there is delamination in many areas of the planchet.

Nifty find.
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 Posted 02/17/2016  8:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all, because of the responses here I started to look up what the difference was between Lamination & delamination. I came across an old post response that coop provided on the Lincoln Cent forum in 2012 and some of coops pictures (it was pretty cool)

Lamination is weakness in the blend of the copper stock.
I tried to look up how copper planchets were made but it wasn't giving me the correct links in Google (so maybe that is a privacy thing being the us mint and all)

Does this mean that there were multiple layers of copper pressed together and those layers got contaminated with other materials during the bonding process?

And then the Lamination peel would be like the top layer(s) is coming off because of bonding issues?

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delamination) completely off the planchet.

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The biggest thing I am learning here on the forum is that I need to learn the "how it's made" process.
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 Posted 02/17/2016  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like a Woody and Lamination Error to me. The lines are correct front and back for a Woody, and the Lamination is very similar to my confirmed Lamination.

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 Posted 02/17/2016  10:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OcalaFlorida to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
laminations and woodies are both result of improper mix
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 Posted 02/17/2016  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes they are, this one certainly goes hand in hand.
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 Posted 02/18/2016  12:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for your help. I am
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 Posted 07/03/2018  3:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coppergold to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Yep, it's a Lamination issue.
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