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Mexico 1860 8 Reales Bought For $15

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 Posted 02/15/2016  11:17 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Mister Kairu to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Seems like a pretty good deal to me seeing as melt is just over $12. Can anyone help with a grade? Haven't been able to venture into grading the world coins much. Thanks for looking!

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 Posted 02/16/2016  10:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinworldtv to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a nice VF+/VF with a few scratches, well worth around 35 to 40 bucks in my opinion.
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 Posted 02/16/2016  11:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mister Kairu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, CoinWorld! That appears to have been the prices I saw on ebay but was just curious about the grade! :)
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I am a bit more conservative in grading in many cases and I openly disagree with NGC and grade-flation based only on post strike wear.

Mexican 8Rs are quite unlike US coins as far as grade and its relation to value. The 8R in 1860 was far more crudely struck than US dollar coins of the same period and of course they were struck in large numbers by the large mints.

Collectors who understand this know that other factors must be considered for 8Rs. Population and average grade available are critical. Eye appeal tends to be more important than technical grade except to novice collectors. Also post strike damage in the form of generic chops - pin pricks, small cuts and edge damage caused by ringing on stones are more detrimental because they typically mar Mexican coins reducing the population of more desirable grades. A truly valuable (easy to re-sell) copy of any date will not have distracting damage and will show some luster.

In this case I see VF as high. The 1860 Guanajuato according to Dunigan had a problem with weakly struck eagles but even so the date is common and available in all grades including uncirculated. The eagle design has a reduced profile by 1860, which was introduced to make striking easier unlike the earlier Zacatecas and other issues where the center of the breast was usually unstruck.

So looking at the coin as a whole I see several rim bumps and generic chops that will reduce re-sale value. Since you are located in the US you will find that unless you are in the southwest that common 8Rs (even early dates) usually sell for melt plus a few dollars. I know in the Raleigh, NC area they often end up in junk silver boxes.

I do think that $20 would be a reasonable price to buy the coin, so you got it cheap. Selling it to a dealer will generate about melt at best. Here they sell at 90% of spot in these grades.

If you like it great - don't expect to flip it immediately to double your money.
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Ah thanks for all the info Bob! And yup I got it out of a junk silver box for melt plus a couple just like you mentioned! I didn't think it was a particularly rare coin due to there being so many varieties I saw and some pretty nice grades better than mine. I don't think I am going to sell it at least right now, I enjoy world coins especially when they are larger and silver. I even cheated and put it in my Mexico type album in a 5 pesos hole (since there isn't a hole for it) and will probably be happy keeping it there. I just wasn't sure of the grading of this particular coin I had initially thought (just basing off of US coinage which based on your comment isn't quite the same) at around F overall the obverse seemed nicer than the reverse. Again, just wanted to show off its coolness! :)
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unless you are in the Southwest common 8Rs (even early dates) usually sell for melt plus a few dollars. I know in the Raleigh, NC area they often end up in junk silver boxes.

This 1860 Go, while certainly nothing special, would bring $40 on ebay without much difficulty - shouldn't bring much more, but you certainly wouldn't have to settle for much less. Solidly low VF (20-25) looks unscrubbed, there a slight scratch on the cap but looks old/toned in.

I can't see how such coins don't sell so immediately to ebay flippers (or even guys who set up at shows) that even the biggest rube dealer wouldn't catch on. And, just speaking of your case, the Raleigh-Durham area has a sizable population (a decent % of which rather cosmopolitan/educated, certain "urban" parts notwithstanding). Does anyone ever go in their shops? All you need is one or two people with a clue in an area to hit the local shop once in a while...

And, oh yeah, do they even ATTEMPT to value things on ebay? What collectibles "professional" doesn't know to do that in the year 2016?!!

Maybe I need to start taking some more road trips this summer...
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 Posted 02/16/2016  4:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mister Kairu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lol funny you should mention that, my LCS has almost all foreign silver coins priced at spot in their junk coin bin. Apparently my lcs is a pretty rare case since I can find walkers, merc dimes, Barber coinage (all worn but some with partial dates) for spot price x actual weight. I have purchased multiple larger foreign coins from the 19th century that turned a profit of $30-40 for one coin. Even once bought a really worn 1895S Morgan for spot price so I am unsure if they check what they toss in their very much... oh well!
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 Posted 02/16/2016  5:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdmern to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice piece, I would buy all day at those prices! You are quite lucky to be situated close to such a great LCS!
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