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billjones Pillar of the Community United States 1499 Posts	Posted 03/13/2016 3:39 pm Quote: So .. just guessing not a CWT ..... Civil War 1861 - 1865 "By definition" Civil War tokens are limited to pieces dating from 1861 to 1864. The 1861 date marks when the war began. The 1864 date marks when the Union Government made it illegal to use them in commerce. BUT there was a big exception as someone alluded to the Wealth of the South token. There was actually a series of these tokens, and the Wealth of the South varieties are the best known. The others are a set of presidential campaign tokens that were issued for the four 1860 presidential candidates - Lincoln, Stephen Douglas, John Bell and John Breckenridge. To confuse things the dies were sold or transferred to another token maker and restrikes were made after the collector. Most collectors don't seem to overly concerned by that. Here is an example of an 1860 Lincoln Wealth of the South token. This one is pretty rare because of the reverse. I am quite certain that this piece was issued and used during the 1860 presidential campaign because of the hole and the slogan on the reverse. Most of these tokens come with this reverse, "The President's House." Report this Post to the Staff
ExoGuy Pillar of the Community United States 4416 Posts	Posted 03/13/2016 4:03 pm Those are super tokens, medalets, BillJones! The Lincoln pieces are among my favorites. The first CWT I purchased in 1964 was a Lincoln political, dated 1864 (Fuld's 127/248). I recall thinking that Lincoln had gotten to see his image on a cent-sized token, a hundred years prior. IMHO, your Lincoln piece wouldn't be classified as a "Wealth of the South" token. Granted, it was a product of the same engraver and made the same year, but it has no connection to the South, the southern cause. There is, I recall, a rare muling (a pair of dies that seemingly don't belong together) of that Lincoln obverse with a "Wealth of the South" reverse. That piece is a horse of a different color ... pairing northern an southern sentiments. Here's a CWT trivia question ... What storecards, long listed by the Fulds, bear the dates 1859 and 1860? Edited by ExoGuy 03/13/2016 4:12 pm Report this Post to the Staff
billjones Pillar of the Community United States 1499 Posts	Posted 03/13/2016 4:31 pm Quote: IMHO, your Lincoln piece wouldn't be classified as a "Wealth of the South" token. Granted, it was a product of the same engraver and made the same year, but it has no connection to the South, the southern cause. There is, I recall, a rare muling (a pair of dies that seemingly don't belong together) of that Lincoln obverse with a "Wealth of the South" reverse. That piece is a horse of a different color ... pairing northern an southern sentiments. The Civil War tokens guys call ALL of the 1860 tokens whose dies were cut by Benjamin True and later restruck and muled by John Stanton, "Wealth of the South." I don't know why, and I agree with you that it is inaccurate, but they do. As for the Lincoln / "No Submission to North" token, I won't give you five cents for it as a political / historical item; it's just plain stupid. I would sell it for a profit however, just to show that I am "a greedy capitalist." There are many cent sized Lincoln CWT varieties. I have a complete obverse set of them, but I don't collect all of the reverse variations which are many, and I don't collect the off-metal pieces. Here is one dated 1860 you might not have seen. It is rare. The claim is that the mintage was 10 pieces, but I would not hang my hat on that. Edited by billjones 03/13/2016 4:36 pm Report this Post to the Staff
ExoGuy Pillar of the Community United States 4416 Posts	Posted 03/13/2016 6:38 pm I have seen the "needle" storecard, paired with Lincoln, before. I don't recall that one being as high grade a piece as you have there, BillJones. I do like the beardless Lincoln pieces. It's a cool story, how a little girl told Abe that he'd look better if he had a beard. The girl, Gracie Bedell, approached Abe at a campaign whistle stop, 1860, in Westfield, NY. Here's a beardless Lincoln campaign token from 1860 that I picked up at a recent show. It's now in my Civil War token collection, regardless of the date ... Edited by ExoGuy 03/13/2016 6:39 pm Report this Post to the Staff
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