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I found this in a box. I know it not technically a civil war date but would it be considered a civil war token? Is it scarce or is it even real? I put the cent beside it just for comparison sake. I know very little about these. Thanks for your help.

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Virginia Merchant token.Brass Miller Va-5. Should say 139 Main St. Fairly common. Nice token!
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Interesting token

So .. just guessing not a CWT .....
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GR...I agree that it is not a CWT due to it being made before the beginning of the civil war. I had never seen one before I stumbled across this one.
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I find it interesting that my Guide Book of Civil War Tokens doesn't list any store cards from Virginia. West Virginia yes, but none from Virginia
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This was a pre-war token. In this grade of G-VG is in the $12-$15 range, retail. Relatively common but still an early piece.
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Over many decades of collecting tokens now, I've not before encountered this one, so I'm inclined to suspect it is not so common as the books may say. Then too, southern tokens do tend to be more in demand than their counterparts on the other side of the Mason-Dixon Line.

While this one is not listed as a CWT, there are some 1859-60 dated tokens that are listed as CWT's. I've long felt that the CWT series should be more inclusive. There are a great many interesting tokens, having some connection to the Civil War, that don't fit comfortably into the CWT series. Yet, such pieces are telling of the times.
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Link to a page about "The Tokens of Charles J Raine of Lynchburg, VA".


http://www.novanumismatics.com/va-m...rg-virginia/


It turns out he SERVED in the Civil War.
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I maybe did not word my previous post very well.

I was wondering if CWT's had to be made during e civil war to be
considered CWT's.

After reading the link posted by nss-52, I feel I would keep this token
with my other CWT's.

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Nss-52...Thanks for sharing the link to this article. It was very interesting. Kind of makes it special knowing that he served and died while fighting in the war.

A few people have said "relatively common" and I'm not sure if I am on that same page. I did a quick ebay search and I could not find any like this for sale. I must admit that I am not the best at searching for things like this but I could not find any.
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A few people have said "relatively common"


Guilty!

As Exo pointed out...


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not so common as the books may say


My answer came from literature.... He is the seasoned collector of Early Tokens!


Like I said Nice Token!
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Amida17...Does your source have a mintage # for these or just have a scale of common to uncommon? Like I said....I have a few civil war tokens but overall this is an area that I am not that familiar with.

I know this is a little off topic but do they even have exact mintage #'s on CWT's?
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NSS-52 ... Thanks for posting the link on Aaron Packard's article. I likely once read that at some time or another, as I've visited his fine website many times. He's a great researcher!


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I was wondering if CWT's had to be made during the civil war to be
considered CWT's.


There are some CWT's, dated 1860, that have been grandfathered into the CWT series. Here's one ...

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I'm a great admirer of Russ Rulau's works on tokens. He researched and wrote ever so much, and I often simply thumb through his books, refreshing my memory. That said, there were errors and holes in what he wrote, as Mr. Rulau was dependent upon ever so many contributors. I felt honored to simply be listed as such.


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I know this is a little off topic but do they even have exact mintage #'s on CWT's?


Surprisingly, there are known mintage figures for a minute percentage of tokens from that era, such as some struck by Bolen and Merriam. The rarity of virtually all CWT's is based upon estimates. The Fuld's did a great job with their rarity estimations, but there were some glaring errors; this, as can well be expected what with the listings of thousands of tokens! Then too, the discovery of small hoards of tokens have occasionally caused a rare token to become less rare.


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He (Exo) is the seasoned collector of Early Tokens!


Thanks, Amida. Seasoned, approaching pickled, I am!
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I want one of those....

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Note the die break that virtually divides this "Wealth of the South" token. I find it ironic, foreboding, that our country was to be divided the following year.
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I searched that one up, and it is odd that many, many examples have die breaks.
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