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Suspicious Coin#2? 10 On 20 Reis Counterstamped 1829

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 Posted 03/07/2016  07:10 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add dohcollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
hello ccf

this coin is a 20 reis with a 10 reis counterstamp
i looked it up and I supposed to be a copper issue.

now when I look at the coin I can def make out its not copper at all I even think its aluminium of some sort.
it has that dull sound when you drop it, copper has a more ping like sound.
nway I took some pics because the surfacee got a hitfrom the countersamp and it clearly shows a aluminium color.

coin specs are off too
weigth is 6.3 grams with should be 7.17
30 mm diameter is the same as listed
0.15 mm thick

heres some pics



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so yeah I think its a contemporary counterfeit, and if so any chance to find out who it made?
what do you think...opinins, thoughts,references just post away

thanks in advance!
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 Posted 03/07/2016  10:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A lot of these were made in the eastern European block countries in the 1950's up to the 1980's when the Chinese bought the counterfeit licenses for all known coins

An expert in this field may have an opinion as to origin, but it's not something I can expound upon more fully.
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 Posted 03/07/2016  8:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's not aluminium or if it is, it can't be a contemporary counterfeit. Aluminium was rare and expensive back in 1829. Aluminium would also be much, much lighter, more like 4 grams. Judging from those pics, the coin looks copper to me.

The "ring test" is also not a particularly reliable indicator for a counterstamped coin. The counterstamp changes the shape, and so changes the resonating frequencies of the coin.

This does not mean the coin is genuine. The Krause catalogues note that these pieces were very heavily counterfeited back in the day. Counterfeiting was rife, and the counterfeit quality was more or less the same as the quality of the genuine coins, so basically no-one cared if the coins were counterfeit or not.

Furthermore, when the coins were recalled and countermarked, they didn't go to too much trouble to weed out the counterfeits - only the worst and most lightweight ones. So it's entirely possible that it's a counterfeit coin with a genuine counterstamp.
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 Posted 03/08/2016  05:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dohcollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thank you both for the opinions and info

and I took a better look at the coin and seems tha Sap is right.
i took some pics in the daylight so you can c it better...and I did find red traces on the coin
as a last resort I did scrape some of the side ,to c the color
and also did some more searching on the net and I found a thread onhere stating these coppers could be 15% under weight, even the genuine coins.
if that is the case I myself would never be able to say if its fake or not
only a grading company or someone realy knowledgeable on that matter


still you helpt me quite alot in finding more clues
thanks again and maybe some else will chime in





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