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I see tons of these during nickel CRH events. I wondered about the cause, but thinking it's grease. This specimen was a kinder subject coin to take pictures of. So...is this caused by grease?

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Hi Pete - have you seen this on modern nickels, say 2004 forward?
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yes it is a strike through. probably a thin layer of water, grease or another liquid. I have found a couple State Quarters like that and I belive that it is a liquid that moves on the die some what since the placement on my two is slightly different in areas.
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It's Struck Through Grease with grit. Grease and metal flakes and/or dirt.
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I agree with coin masters on this one. The roughness is from sort of grit on the die. It maybe also oil or grease. Something that holds the grit in place from strike to strike.
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Thanks folks. I think the grit theory has merit. Although the subject area looks shinier, I do see a bunch of hairline surface scratches which could suggest grit/movement.

I have noticed that 2007 seems to be the most affected year and both sides of the coin can be affected. Looks kind of like surface chatter.

Thanks again!
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Yes, I see it on the moderns quite a bit, Rackster. They have that huge wide open field, where I see it the most. I suppose it's a good catch all.
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Hi CM - it makes me wonder if something changed in the minting process in the early 2000s. Kind of like a mold release/dressing put to the face of the dies creating the irregular shapes. On the freshest coins you can see and uneven field, like waves and indents.
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Yes I think I know what you're talking about. I think it started with the single squeeze. I think it's a very short horizontal movement of the die against the hub, because you can often also see the beginning of trails. There are light and dark areas in a row.
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The grease with grit is entirely different, it just puts "roughness" in certain areas.
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Hmmmm...I was thinking that you and coop detected there was more surface scratching in the shiny fields. It could just be from the circulation damage though.
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With the grease/oil on the surface of the planchet, it prevents the surface of the field to be shaped. It is more like the planchet would have look in the raw form along with the grit affect dulling the color.
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No, Rackster the grease/oil with grit makes the roughness. What I'm talking about is a separate anomally.
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Yes I think I know what you're talking about. I think it started with the single squeeze. I think it's a very short horizontal movement of the die against the hub, because you can often also see the beginning of trails. There are light and dark areas in a row.
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Hi guys - thanks for the explanations. The flow of metal does look affected and although some features are present, they do look weaker than normal. Here's a full obverse shot. The grease affected the temple, the cheek, the bridge of the nose and the fields in front of the forehead/nose and lip/Liberty area. The rest of the coin has the matte finish.

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