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Valued Member
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hello CCF i have these small coins but I can't seem to find any info exept for one all are the same coins i think I do recognise french lillies they varie alot but most coins are so worn that theres not much to go on by inscription i do have some of the inscription .....CTVM SIT ROME NI obverse ....ORUM.REX weight varies from 0.6 - 1.4 Gr looks like its copper alloy but I found one that resembles billion Nway here are some pics of the better ones          thank you in advance Edited by dohcollector
03/15/2016 2:17 pm
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Nice group. Did you find these in a dig?
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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@echizento technically I did find them but not in the ground they where lying in a large box in a cellar,amung a few kilos of very very old coins. if you ever read my introduction ,i have told my story there :) thank you albert but I could not find a exact match there ,but you did help me on the way although I'm not shure its a exact match closest I've come is this double denier ND (1438) Ag SIT NOMEN DNI BENEDICTV KAROLVS FRACORVM REX  this one looks more like it but then the iscription does not match denier ND (1515-40) Billon TVRONVS CIVIS FRANCORVM FRANCISCVS FRANCORV REX  SOURCE http://www.ccoins.ru |
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@dohcollector, can you please provide pics of the billon issue too? Thx.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Belgium
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hello spence, sorry for the long wait ,I'm in euro so I had to turn in for the night so I took some pics but I'm not shure if I could capture the thing that I said makes it billion like. i'll first do it in words so you'll know where I'm comming from. I've come across a few billion coin that where worn very much but in each case the alloy 'twinkling' while looking with a loupe. now its that twinkling I wanted to capture you just don't c that on plain copper coins. maybe you know what I mean maybe not . then, again I could be wrong so bare with me please :) so here's the pictures      Edited by dohcollector
03/16/2016 06:08 am
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United States
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Ok thanks. I see what may be evidence of silver plating or wash remaining on these coins. I guess when I think of "billon", I think more of a debased silver coin. In any case, you have an interesting little hoard here.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Belgium
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no I need to thank you :)
but with all due respect ,i can almost say with surtentie that these coins do not have any silverwash on them.
its probably the oxidation spots you c,theres also black spots and some of the grey spots you c are realy green parts of oxidation.
what do I understand of billion, for me is that a alloy (usually copper or bronze) mixed with a small % of silver (usually under 40%)
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03/16/2016 09:05 am
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Ok yes then we have the same definition. I wonder what percent silver these are. By color, I'm thinking vanishingly small (no where near 40%) but maybe others on the forum could weigh in. Of course, using XRF would let us know with certainty.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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sorry to open this again but I wanted to follow up on my findings i finally found out what coins I was looking for. so I was able to atribute it to the kingdom of france particulary the Dauphin county/region and reigning king was Francis I double denier ND (1515-40) Billon SIT NOMEN DNI BENEDICTVM FRANCISCVS FRANCOR REX http://coinscat.ru/pages/dofine.html |
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ok nice work. thanks again for sharing!
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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