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Potential Chop Mark On Persia (Achaemenid Empire)

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Hi. Please see below for a recent acquisition of mine. I believe that it is from the Achaemenid Empire of Persia. The size is 9 mm x 11 mm and the mass is 5.4 g. My question relates to the obv. It looks to me like there is a cross-shaped punch that has been applied to the region near the archer's right elbow. Any thoughts?


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 Posted 03/21/2016  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think you have a lovely coin and I think you might find this link exceedingly helpful and enlightening.

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/nu...p?key=siglos
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Ohh I like number 56. :-)
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Yep, this is why I hang out on this forum. A link to a listing of known countermarks on ancient Persian coins within 8 minutes of my post. @ancientnoob, you rock!
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Aww thanks for the kind words. I wanna see what else you got..

Here is my very cool siglos. The countermark sorta looks like a first prize ribbon. The photo if this coin should be redone but there is so little time in the day,

Achaemenid Kings of Persia
Time of Darios I to Xerxes I c. 485-450 BC. Time of the War with Greece
AR Silver Siglos 17 mm x 5.51g
Sardes Mint
Persian Hero King in Kneeling -running stance right, holding spear and bow
Reverse: Incuse punch, bankers mark.
Ref: Carradice Type IIIa (pl. xi, 14); Carradice, " Two Achaemenid Hoards", in NumChron 1998, 136-7.
Note: Near VF, Good Metal.



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Here's one of mine that even with the reference I haven't been able to figure out yet. It's just not clear enough to tell.



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Can you get bigger photos?
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Sorry spence not trying to hijack your thread. Better pictures added.
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Echizento- Maybe number 43.
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@ancientnoob: Here is your siglos brightened up:

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It's a Carradice type III with the archer carrying a spear.

I fell in love with the variety of banker/countermarks on this series some years ago and put together a fair collection of a couple hundred of them (back when they were cheap). I still have it, but I have not done much more than group them a bit. Back in the late 90s I put up a web page for them and revolved around the chart Hill had prepared (which you found at Forum too). Can't find the pics at the moment, but if they turn up I will post a few.
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Awesome it came from a Beverly Hills gallery with the attribution to Carradice Type IIIa (pl. xi, 14); Carradice, " Two Achaemenid Hoards", in NumChron 1998, 136-7.
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Sorry spence not trying to hijack your thread.


No prob at all. Nice to see a variety of these coins. Honestly, I bought mine after seeing the movie 300, because I thought it would be cool to have a coin from Xerxes.
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 Posted 03/22/2016  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nate that's seems to fit better that what I thought it was.
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