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Joe2007 Pillar of the Community United States 3843 Posts	Posted 03/21/2016 10:22 pm Saw this website mentioned on another forum. Checked it out and thought that it had some great information on a very underappreciated series. Apparently it's a fairly new site. I found especially interesting the survival rates and population information page. A Register of Liberty Seated dollar Varieties By Dick Osburn and Brian Cushing http://www.seateddollarvarieties.com/ Report this Post to the Staff

moxking Rest in Peace United States 17900 Posts	Posted 03/21/2016 11:06 pm That is an awesome site. My true thanks for sharing it. Report this Post to the Staff
thq Pillar of the Community United States 3343 Posts	Posted 03/22/2016 11:38 am Very interesting, especially the survival estimates. I'm surprised that the survival rates of the commmon dates 1870-73 are so low in comparison with the 1859-O, 1860-O, 1841, 1842 and 1843. There must have been a lot of melting. Except for the O dates, Seated dollars dated 1850-1865 are devilishly hard to find and priced accordingly. The survival estimates shed some light on why that is the case. "Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire Edited by thq 03/22/2016 11:47 am Report this Post to the Staff
Debrajc Pillar of the Community United States 4211 Posts	Posted 03/22/2016 2:03 pm Thanks for posting the link Joe. I am going to need one of these for my type set someday and now I have a nice reference. Report this Post to the Staff
thq Pillar of the Community United States 3343 Posts	Posted 03/22/2016 9:55 pm Practice exercise! Which die pair? http://www.ebay.com/itm/184-US-Libe...AOSwu1VW6LqO Maybe we should start with which date. "Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire Report this Post to the Staff
GERMANICVS Pillar of the Community Germany 1849 Posts	Posted 03/23/2016 12:22 pm Thank you try much, Joe. Very interesting information. I first saw David Bowers data on survival estimates of the Seated Liberty dollars back in the late 80's. This information was included in one his Newsletters which he used to publish when he was with the old Bowers & Merena. I still have that somewhere, and this is certainly an interesting update on his original figures 30 years ago. I have noted there is a discrepancy between the surviving population estimates quoted in CoinFacts and the ones in this CO update, for example: 1861 Dollar: CoinFacts: est. 1100 OC: 500 1862 Dollar: CoinFacts: 1100 OC estimate: 350 1870 CC Dollar: CoinFacts: 1000 OC estimate: 750 I would guess the OC estimate is more accurate? Report this Post to the Staff
thq Pillar of the Community United States 3343 Posts	Posted 03/23/2016 1:10 pm I use NGC and/or PCGS populations as relative indicators of survival. Current total NGC population of the uncommon 1861 is 74 and the 1870cc is 217, while the common 1860o is 891 and the 1871 is 749. The ratios of NGC commons to uncommons are in the 3-12 range, which indicates quite a bit higher survival than the 10-20 ratio range indicated by the OC survival estimates for the same coins. NGC has probably had a lot of regrading of the scarcer coins, which would tend to understate their scarcity by overcounting. And a much lower percentage of common coins end up in slabs, which would also raise the common/uncommon survival ratio. One other point is that the NGC methodology shows the 1861 to be a much scarcer coin than the 1870cc. The OC estimates hint at this but I think that they miss the true magnitude of the difference. "Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire Report this Post to the Staff
GERMANICVS Pillar of the Community Germany 1849 Posts	Posted 03/24/2016 12:50 pm I was from the vey beginning intrigued by the 1861-1865 civil war dates. I remember I had a difficult time, already 25 years ago, finding examples of some of these dates which were both appealing and reasonably price. At the end I had to compromise on quality as my budget was limited. Also, I remember 1861 and 1862 were the toughest of the series, with 1861 the most difficult. I have read somewhere just recently that the toughest of the civil war dates is actually 1863. Report this Post to the Staff
GR58 Bedrock of the Community United States 11951 Posts	Posted 03/24/2016 4:25 pm I also want to give thanks for posing the link I like having access to this type of information Report this Post to the Staff
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