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Roosevelt You Vs NGC, Round 3. 2009 D SMS Up For Grading

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From 2005 through 2010, the Uncirculated Mint Sets had coins with a satin finish. NGC labels these as SMS, PCGS calls them SP I believe. I remember the first time I looked at coins from these sets thinking, "Oooh, this one is really nice..." then realized they were all really nice. I think these must be tough on graders, how to separate 70's from 69's from 68's, because lots of these coins fall into that area of the scale. I guess that's why they are the professional graders...

Where do you grade this one?

Here is the coin:


Roosevelt-You-Vs-NGC,-Round-3.-2009-D-SMS-Up-For-Grading

Roosevelt-You-Vs-NGC,-Round-3.-2009-D-SMS-Up-For-Grading
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 Posted 03/28/2016  6:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadToTheBone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS68 @ worse and MS69 @ best!
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Nice coin...MS68 for me
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Interesting toning/spotting on such a new coin. Looks like the rims took the worst of any type of hit. MS68 FT!
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Yeah rking, I took those pictures earlier with strong sunlight coming in the room. I prefer to take pics at night with room lights off so I can control the lighting better. Even then, one type of lighting highlights some imperfections, and different lighting emphasis something else...still working on a system that accurately shows a coin as it appears in hand. Hard to do at the magnification levels needed for grading. Here are pics of the sam coin taken tonight, with room darkened:


Roosevelt-You-Vs-NGC,-Round-3.-2009-D-SMS-Up-For-Grading

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one tiny nick hidden in the hair and several tiny nicks on the ring, I say MS69
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some spotty toning. rub on cheek and jaw. I cant see it at 69 I have it at MS67FT possibly 68
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I have been looking at quite a few satin finish coins lately, and I have come to believe that what appears to be rub on a lot of these coins is more likely to be caused by incomplete strikes. The deepest part of the die, also the high point of the coin, doesn't get completely filled, thus doesn't get that satin finish pressed into the planchet. That leaves a "less satin" to a shiny appearance in these spots. That and spottiness seem to be the most common problems on these coins, and finding one without those marks makes for a much nicer looking coin. But the TPG's don't seem to be knocking the grades down on coins with these problems.
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OK, here is the slab. I appreciate evryones input, and hope all of you jump in on the next coin as well!


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