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In the interest of stirring up a debate among you Lincoln Cent fanciers I thought I would just toss this out there for discussion. In the March Issue of Coinage magazine, page 19 there is the following statement from a noted dealer on the current state of the coin market; "Serious collectors are putting everything under an electron microscope-or at least a 10- or 15-power glass and seeing that no two dies are the alike. What does the future hold for an old stalwart such as the 1922 "plain" cent, now that collectors are learning there's really no such thing as a totally missing "D"? Will that hole in their Lincoln cent album go away"?" Interesting. I gather he is saying that under the right magnification you can see the D mint mark on any 1922 Lincoln. Would like to hear from some of you experts. Could this save me a thousand bucks or so on finishing my LIncoln set? Have at it! |
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Simply by seeing the 22-D for what it is will save you all that money ,,a coin struck from filled heavily relapped dies that were used well beyond there life expectancy .
Had philly minted coins that year it would be a worthless common coin .
Im much more interested in the earlier die state coins for this year and have no interest in owning the filled ,abraided die version .
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I am one of those unfortunate souls that has a "1922-D Plain" hole in his Dansco album. I have pretty much decided that if I find on at a good price, I will get one of the "Weak D" varieties to fill the hole. I can't fathom paying 09SVDB or 14D prices for something like this! quote:
...a coin struck from filled heavily relapped dies that were used well beyond there life expectancy. Had philly minted coins that year it would be a worthless common coin .
I have always wondered, in the 100 years of the LHC alone, how many other "filled" mint marks came out of the Denver and San Francisco mints because someone was not paying attention to the die wear? How many people have a coin in the plain "Philadelphia" hole that might have actually come from another mint? (1965~1967 does not count!) |
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The '22 no-D is the only coin I'm missing in my Lincoln Cent Dansco so I put a blank planchet in the hole. It's as "Plain" as you can get! |
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That's cool! If you do not mind, can I ask where did you get it? Is it an actual blank from Jarden Zinc or some other source?
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02/15/2008 5:48 pm
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I have always wondered, in the 100 years of the LHC alone, how many other "filled" mint marks came out of the Denver and San Francisco mints because someone was not paying attention to the die wear? How many people have a coin in the plain "Philadelphia" hole that might have actually come from another mint? (1965~1967 does not count!) Me too. Just how many other coins have a missing or excessively weak D or S and everyone has it in a P, no mint mark slot. I've seen many coins with missing numbers in the dates, missing letters all over the place so why not many more missing Mint Marks. Now there is a selling point. You could go to ebay with a bunch of Philly, no mint mark coins, and sell as missing mint marks. If your looking for someting to put in that slot, just go to a place like Home Depot, Menards, Ace hardware, etc. and check out the Copper washers. In the plumbing section you may also find a blank Copper round. Take a cent with for size comparisons. Many people I know that are sick of that empty slot just puts a Wheat cent in there turned around. So now that people are starting to complain about a Whitman Album with a slot for the 22 Plain, what about slots for the 55 Double Die, 72 Double Die, 70S small date, 95 Double Die, etc. I don't even see a reason for all the 60 varieties but since the slots are there, they just have to be filled now don't they? |
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I think if you Folder or book or set call for a 22-D & 22 plain you should have one in it.
But the simplest way to fit this is to buy a holder or book with what you want to have in it.
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I got my blank planchet from a bank roll, they escape the mint from time to time and sell at coin shops for between $1-$2
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I actually have a 1922 Plain with strong reverse. It's understandably a controversial coin but that's what I like about it. It gives the coin notoriety. It's seen more than its share of bashing from every direction. This includes everything from the common buyer to editorials in numismatic publications. Whether or not it's good or bad press, the coin itself is ends up in the limelight. Much like Danny Bonaduce getting caught with a transvestite hooker and suddenly his career is revitalized. Having one of the most hotly debated coins is half the fun of owning it!  |
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I didn't want to go Family Friendly ?, so I just got a PCGS certified Weak D (although you can barely see it with the naked eye). I have it listed in my Top Ten key dates/varieties for the entire small cent series. Only one to go. 1955 DDO. |
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From what I can remember there should be No D MM on the 22 because philly left it out. Some are using 10x to 40 to be sure of No D
I Hope that this will help you. You can also buy a replica of the 22 for a fill in.
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02/17/2008 1:54 pm
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From what I can remember there should be No D MM on the 22 because philly left it out. Some are using 10x to 40 to be sure of No D
There is no D on the coin because it was ground off and filled from excessive use of the same dies for the entire D mint production run . No philly 1922 cents were minted . |
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Just trying to help. Got it from a book on counterfeits.
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02/16/2008 6:12 pm
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Carefull there Homer1. Copying someone's printed works could be felony you know.  Why not just refer to where you found that info. For example if you want a complete run down on that coin, see https://www.coppercoins.com |
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No intent to plagiarise but merely to quote someone else when I should have used Quotation Marks. I get your drift and thank you for your advice Carl; it's now gone. The Book "How to Detect Altered & Counterfeit" " Coins & paper Money, By Bert Harshe. from a book I have. I always thought that there were some made inadvertently by mistake.
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02/17/2008 2:23 pm
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Only one to go. 1955 DDO
You can do that one cheap too. As in 1972 there are several different 1955 Doubled dies and only one costs an arm and a leg. But they ARE legitimite doubled dies so they will fill the hole. quote:
From what I can remember there should be No D MM on the 22 because philly left it out.
At one time some people speculated that the obv of the No D strong reverse never had a mintmark on it to begin with. That is obviously not correct though because if it were there would be a lot of 22 "P" cents out there from sharp new obv dies and there aren't. Even 22 No D comes from a wornout tired ol obv die. And don't worry about making brief quotes from published copyrighted sources. Citation use is permitted under the copyright laws. (If it is more than a couple of lines it is best to cite the source.) |
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