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I Post this stupid question under another thread and did not get a answer so thought id start a thread .Sure this topic has been brought up a hundred times but as a newbie I must ask .OK if get a new roll of 2008 dimes I dump them the next person to get them would have a circulated roll .But because the coins are in uncirculated condition are they still considered unc .This has always confused me . Seeking:Help with stupid question Rainman  |
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The way I see it is, if a coin exchanges 10 different peoples hands, but is in the same exact shape as it was from the mint, its still UNC. I find some halves that are in great shape and would consider them UNC even though they've been re-wrapped a few times I'm sure. To me, its the shape of the coin, not the amount of traffic its had.
Just my 2 pennies...im sure others have opinions as well.
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02/16/2008 12:45 pm
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I agree with caeton, You could go to a coin shop today and purchase a roll of Lincoln's from 1970, and they would still be considered uncirculated, even though they probably changed hands many times over the last 38 years.
I always believed, An uncirculated coin ceases to become uncirculated once it comes in contact with daily commerce.
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My understanding is that a coin is considered "uncirculated" until it has the slightest bit of visible wear. It is probably better to use the term "mint state" for a coin with no wear, as the coins mentioned in these examples have obviously been circulated.
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Actually, to answer your own question - How do you know the roll you got is uncirculated? Doesn't say it on the wrapper. YOU decided that. What if two other collectors had already gone through them for varieties and you're the 3rd owner? But you call them uncirculated - so there is your answer. Based on condition.
It's also a state of mind :)
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I consider a coin "uncirculated, if it shows no sign of wear. The metal of the coin is what will demonstrate the condition. If it has nothing but bag marks, no fingerprints, or no dings of any kind, it is UNC. It may have been handled by several people, but unles there is some visual indicator that it has been around, it is unc.
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If I get it in change I know it is circulated. Mint state is the standard we should all be using. UNC. is just too general considering the various grades of mint state coins, and the values they command.
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Technically once a coin, currency bill, pair of shoes, box of toothpicks has been produced by a manufacturer and it is handled by employees, it has been circulated. Then as it leaves that place it again becomes circulated. A coin may be in Mint State condition for a million years but it has been circulated.  Or as Webster's dictionary states: To travel or spread about. Also, it states: Circulating Medium is currency used in exchange. Confused? As already noted though a coin may always be in Mint State condition but has been circulated. Probably why all documents on coins now utilize the term Mint State indicating the actual coin is what it would look like directly at the Mint. |
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If you're a good enough grader, there's no way I could ever convince you a coin has been circulated if it shows no wear. It's Uncirculated if your eyes say it is.
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You will find many coins that are mint state graded that also have fingerprints on them. Over time the oil from the print alters the natural toning of the coin and although not noticed at first it shows up later. This will not keep a coin from grading M.S. but it can affect the grade. I see dealers mishandling coins all the time. Amazing but true.
Basically as long as there is no wear or hairlining from rubbing the original surface luster, the coin is still M.S. or, Unc. ... G.
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The way I see it is, if a coin exchanges 10 different peoples hands, but is in the same exact shape as it was from the mint, its still UNC  |
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Thanks for everyone's help .I do like the term mint state .yesterday I was at a coin store picking up supplies .I was looking through a Washington quarter book .Noticed several Proofs that was priced for less than the ones marked UNC D or P of the same year (56-64).Asked the guy why he said he did not know his Dad prices the coins .OK I'm confused again . Seeking:Info. Rayinman |
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Price can vary depending on what he paid for the coins, and some coins are easier to find as proofs than as MS. Common proofs, especially lower end proofs will often sell for not much more than bullion, while a true MS coin of the same date will bring a premium over bullion. This can result in the proofs being cheaper than the Uncs.
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IMHO, regardless of whether one or a million people have handled a coin, ot if it has been around the world ten times attracting frequent flyer points, the grading of a coin is based upon its condition. The following is an extract of a discussion on Australian grading; http://www.triton.vg/grading.htmlUncirculated: As the term would suggest, a coin which has seen little, if any, circulation in the commercial sense. Wear is not apparent to the naked eye, though slight rubbing or cabinet friction may be present under magnification. A coin may feature some flatness of strike, which may be common for that date and type. UNC allows for a number of relatively small but nevertheless obvious detracting contact marks visible to the naked eye. Significant marks must be separately mentioned. Lustre on silver may be subdued, possibly from well worn dies. Eye appeal is still pleasing. |
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