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1790 Gold Guinea -- Fake?

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I believe this is an imitation British gold guinea, perhaps a token? But before I toss it in a drawer, could someone confirm that for me?


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The green spots of verdigris tells me instantly that this coin is not gold .


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It is, clearly and unambiguously, a card game token resembling a guinea, and not an actual guinea. If you compare the lettering around the shield, it does not match what you find on a genuine coin. Rather, it's a coded advertisement for the company that made the tokens.
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Thanks to you both. I know nothing about old foreign gold, and now I don't need to think about this token anymore. Good point, Trout, about the verdigris.
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I wouldn't worry too much about this not being a genuine guinea, This is quite a nice example of a gaming token as most of them are pretty worn and knocked about.
Yours appears to be in quite good condition.
Nice Token
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Scarce? common? enough to make a collection of them from dealers' junk boxes.
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Certainly more common than the real thing. I have a couple of these...sometimes the writing around the reverse says "in memory of the good old days"
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Here is an example of the real thing.

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Here's some background on your token's variety:
http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/sh...roduct=33223
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Thanks, philadelphian, that's great information about my piece. And billjones, the real gold guinea is sure a lot nicer than the token!
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Many were holed to use on watch chains.
I have seen some which closely resemble a guinea but gold weighs X2 of brass.
I believe there is a book on these and they have a small following.
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The tokens I think are usually brass. I have seen them sold in quite large groups before, they are typically not to hard to find.
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