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Domitian Silver Denarius

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Titus Flavius Domitianus was a successful military leader as well as a prolific builder and restorer of temples and monuments. Unfortunately, he was also equally zealous in his condemning of many patricians. Domitian's downfall stemmed from his paranoia, which became such that even members of his own household were forced to live in abject terror of liquidation over the most trivial or fanciful suspicion. This situation ironically breathed real life into Domitian's otherwise irrational fears. When finally he was stabbed to death by a servant, even Domitian's wife was numbered among the plotters. Following his demise, much of anything bearing his name and/or likeness was effaced or destroyed owing to a damnatio memoriae imposed by the Senate.



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This is certainly not a primo example, but it's not too bad, either, being pretty well centered, with a lifelike visage, although I wonder about that bulbous feature on the bridge of the nose. I've tentatively dated it to 82 AD, meaning it may be less debased than would be normal, for that falls within the period during which Domitian had tinkered with the coinage by raising the silver content of the denarius by about 12%.


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the coin has to be dated in 82 AD ; On the reverse in the date : cos VIII ( at 12 h) = 82 AD , for thr eight time consul with Titus Flavius Sabinus .Nice coin . albert
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Nice early Domitian
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Very nice looking coin.
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Titus should have knocked him off when he had the chance. After all that was the Roman way of doing things.
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A very nice example from the first issue after Domitian raised the fineness of the denarius in early to mid 82 AD. It's amazing that Domitian's moneyers were able to strike these with a silver bullion content of 99%!
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My latest Domitian denarius, which I judge to be especially attractive.

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This was represented to me as being RIC 771, which I don't think it is. I believe it to be in fact RIC 788 (RSC 293), which would date it to 96 AD, or right at the end of his reign.

Note how much more flattering this portrait is than the one from 14 years earlier. I imagine that by this point, everybody was being awfully careful not to give any offense to the emperor, who by then had executed twelve (!) former consuls for "treason".

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My latest Domitian denarius


Superb coin! Great pick-up.
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A good coin
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Nice coin.
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I just realized that way back when I didn't provide an identification of the coin with which I started out this thread. As far as I can determine, it's RIC 141 (RSC 510, Sear 2752).

I also have a question about a portion of the legend on the reverse of the second coin, which reads "CENSPPP" - I'm thinking the first part "CENSP" stands for Censoria Potestat {"Power of the Censorship"), leaving the final "PP" to signify Pater Patriae. Do I have this right?

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Having posted a denarius from the beginning of Domitian's reign and one from the end, here's an example from 88 AD, roughly in the middle. This would appear to be RIC 580 (RSC 234). Some erosion of the coin's surfaces, but minimal if any actual wear, with almost all of the design remaining to be admired.

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"I'm thinking the first part "CENSP" stands for Censoria Potestat"

CENS P stands for Censor Perpetuus
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CENS P stands for Censor Perpetuus


The only reason I wasn't opting for an interpretation as "Censor Perpetuus" for my specific type was that there are isuues from around the same time for which the legend reads "CENSPERPP" which does clearly translates as "Censor Perpetuus Pater Patriae".

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Came across an unattributed denarius today, and immediately recognized it as an issue of Domitian. However, I don't seem to be able to find a catalog match for it. Minerva would appear to be who's depicted on the reverse, and IMP XIII would date it to 86 AD.

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If it is IMP XIII then it is TR P VI and COS XII. With this reverse that makes this coin RIC II Part 1 #451 (R2). If however, it is IMP XIIII then it could have been minted in either 86 or 87 CE. If in 86 CE then it would be IMP XIIII TR P VI and COS XII. With this reverse your coin would be RIC 456 (R). The coin could also be IMP XIIII, TR P VI, and COS XIII. This would make your coin RIC 507(C) and struck in 87 CE.

Personally I do not see any evidence of the fourth 'I' on your coin. By process of elimination I would guess your coin is RIC 451.

By the way, I like the coin. The portrait is nice.
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