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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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I just pulled the trigger on this one... it hurt me to pay for it and it comes in as my most expensive ancient, second only to its archaic brother.  I had been toying with the idea of getting it for a while. It makes the pair with this one (possibly my favourite ancient coin)  I was tempted by the third kind that I see...this coin was a little cheaper...  I do prefer the design with the magistrates names behind though. Does everyone agree that the coin I purchased looks good (its a dealer I haven't bought from before) and that it is the nicer design? Thankfully I think I only have a couple of these large purchases left before I sit back and decide I have enough coins. |
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
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That's a great coin David, and I like your optimism that you will soon sit back and decide you have enough coins. I wouldn't bank on that happening though ;-)
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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very nice coin , it is good you preferred the first , it is a better quality coin .I am happy for you for your new style tetradrachm,looking very good . I also want to buy this coin to make a pair with my ancient one . Do you know if there is a list of magistrates'name to date the coin ? As I see the quality of coins you buy , I can not believe you will decide one day you have enough coins . albert
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Pillar of the Community
 United Kingdom
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Well looking on wildwinds they have Thompson 527 listed as 121/20 BC with the names KA-RAIX, ERGO KLE QE/MI.
This is attributed Thompson 528B and dated 153/52 BC but seems to match those names and doesn't appear on wildwinds so it is a bit of a mystery to me... can anyone deny or confirm the correct attribution for me?
As to my seeing the end of collecting shortly it is only natural. When I came to ancients around 5 years ago I had decided that I have too many meaningless coins and wanted to put a small collection of more valuable, higher quality coins together. That binder is nearly full now, and when it is full I believe I will sit back and admire my work. Maybe documenting and studying what I have a bit more carefully and methodically but I will stop adding to it.
As things stand at the moment I have room for one more major Greek coin, 4 Greek AE coins and one Miscellaneous coin (possibly going to be a Spainish Castulo or a Gold Byzantine) The end is in sight but this doesn't mean I will lose interest in learning more both generally and about what I have. I completed my UK banknotes folder, close to completing my Ancient coin binder and I will switch to USA banknotes and complete that folder...
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04/14/2016 10:23 am
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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your coin is as Thompse 527 and 531A , dated 121/120 and 111/110 , as you said . The only difference are the sigma tau under the amphora . albert
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Trying to research the coin I see the weight seems right, but I cannot find the Sigma Tau under amphora listed anywhere. This is from a book showing the attribution they gave is actually a sigma and omega...  Now I am scratching my head again... nothing is ever straight forwards! So much information is known about these coins, they have been thoroughly researched. The trouble is locating the information and making sense of it. I have an e-book here with 727 pages written about the coins but to locate my coin with-in seems like a mission impossible. I don't believe that I have a unique type never seen before, so how am I going to find the catalogue number? |
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 United States
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Excellent addition, I've have been wanting one of these for a long time but they are out of my price range. I like both of your examples.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Thank you Echizento...still trying to confirm exactly what I have though... seems to be some conflict between sources on the date and the control marks under the amphora are not listed.
The Margaret Thompson book is listing the coin as 153/2 as described after mentioning KAPAIX, ERGOKLE , also mentioning a prow (is that what the 3 lines next to the owl on the right are?)
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04/14/2016 2:31 pm
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Moderator
United States
23731 Posts |
The three lines are the Prow, but the reference seems confusing in the the KAPAIX ERGOKLE matches but the other marks of OEMI and Sigma Tau do not. I believe either 527 or 528b are going to be the closest matches but neither of them show the Sigma Tau mark. This may be an unrecorded issue.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Thanks for the input Ron.
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Moderator
United States
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I have a copy of Margaret Thompsons book in ebook form, ebooks are great but not easy to thumb through. Nothing like the real thing. Anyway, I went through the book and didn't find any or your coin type with the Sigma Tau mark.
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United States
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@daviduk, looks like you have quite a "parliament" of owls...
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Great pick-up's, David. Congrats.
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
1194 Posts |
I think you have a very interesting variant of Thompson528 : the controll marks sigma tau are not mentioned and you have no letter on the amphora as usual . For dating , the three names : Karaichos , Ergokles(?) and Themistokles are compared with the know prosopographies and lists of archonts . Only the second is unknow . Interesting on you coin is the prow of the galley , the prow in combination with the name Themistokles can indicate that he was a descendant of the famous Themistokles of the 5th century .
This coins with magistrates names were struck from 196 to 87 BC ,there are issues with 634 names , often in combination and a lot more controll marks . albert
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Ahh, thank you Antwerpen for pointing out the name, I would have never put 2 and 2 together!
Thermistokles was the politician that cooked the books in order to build up the fleet (when there was no political will to do so) that won the battle of Salamis after the 300 held the Persians at bay (allowing Athens to be evacuated) So it makes perfect sense to use the prow as a symbol ^^
Had you not pointed it out that detail would have been lost on me.
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