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As being a little bored today I decided to look through my BU Lincoln wheat's .I haven't looked at these in about a year and a half . I must say I was very disappointed finding out that most of them are now RD/BN , and some even worse. They used to be all ch.to gem Reds . I have them stored in 2x2's in a loose leaf binder that's kept in a dresser drawer , not subjected to any hot or cold temps or humidity . Could the problem be because I never gave them an Acetone bath and then Verdi-care application before storing away. Or


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In my opinion, one shouldn't use acetone on bronze or copper coins in VF or better condition as it removes the patina and makes them dull and lifeless.

It might be the 2X2s that caused the problem.

Are they paper or plastic ? What make are they ?
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have them stored in 2x2's in a loose leaf binder that's kept in a dresser drawer , not subjected to any hot or cold temps or humidity .

Noted you are from up-state New York, there are great swings of humidity levels during the summer months.

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Could the problem be because I never gave them an Acetone bath and then Verdi-care application before storing away. Or

Well, that is a process that a number of CCF members recommend.
Which I agree.
Maybe storing them in a Zip Lock bags would also help.
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What materials were used to build the dresser and what else may be in those drawers?
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Pertinax , I use cardboard 2x2's . I don't know the brand as I buy them in bulk at the LC Show .
bpoc1 , I can't put them in zip locks, there in plastic pages for my loose leaf book .
jbuck , the material of dresser is wood and particle board . and the only other things in that draw are other loose leaf books of different denominations .
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Probably out gassing from the wood drawers and the glues in the particle board.

Pertinax, huh? Acetone only affects organic stuff. It won't touch patina, toning etc
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The culprit may be the particle board. Particle board (usually known as chipboard in the UK) is a no-no for coins.
It's usually made from wood chips, wood shavings and sawdust from different woods and a resin or glue.

Some resins emit a gas which may be damaging to coins and some woods are unsafe too.

That's the reason why quality wooden coin cabinets are expensive, they're made of mahogany or other safe woods and don't use glue.

I'd use a metal box or filing cabinet rather than something made of particle board.

It's possible, too, that the culprit may be the cardboard flips, if they're using glue or plasticisers that emit gases.
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This is very interesting
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I read somewhere here on the forums that putting a bit of scotch tape over the open sides of a 2x2 can help cut down airflow and help prevent changes in toning.
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bpoc1 , I can't put them in zip locks, there in plastic pages for my loose leaf book .
I think bpoc1 meant for you to put the whole binder into a large zipper type bag.
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I mentioned glue from the self adhesive 2x2s as a concern before and someone brought up what about the glue that attaches the Mylar to the cardboard? I don't consider 2x2s for long term storage of high grade coins, preferring air-tites and Saflips, but your result is surprising and very concerning.
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I guess that's a possibility . Also I think I'll change my cardboard 2x2's and plastic sheets .
There is nothing more frustrating to me then to have my CH. to GEM BU Wheaties turn red and brown .
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ok, you guys have me thinking.
I have built a metal barn , made it into my house.
built a 4x11 closet that have chip type shelves.
the store next to me gave me 88 , 2'x4' foot shelve boards . I have built shelving out of them.
my coins are in slabs , 2x2 card board holders , zip lock bags and bank type rolls (open end).
proof sets , mint sets and silver eagle boxes , all from the mint.

what should I do ?
sorry to bust in this post, but it might help another.
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I think bpoc1 meant for you to put the whole binder into a large zipper type bag.

Correct.
They do make 1 gallon and 2 gallon bags.
My 7070 Dansco is in a bag in my safe.
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And put silica gel inside the bags as well! Copper is very reactive and moisture is a major source of toning. The toning reaction is usually an oxidation reduction reaction that REQUIRES moisture to proceed. If you don't want the gel in the bag with the coins double bags them and put the gel in between the bags.
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And put silica gel inside the bags as well!

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