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1797 Large Cent To Grade

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not my coin but wanted to get feedback from EAC guys for the surface condition and net grade on this one. The details are great on this coin but not sure of surfaces from these photos. What do you think? http://www.ebay.com/itm/1797-Draped...AOSw3mpXM8TK
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Details look VF-30/35. The surfaces are a little porous, but not unpleasing. There is a scratch on the obverse. I can see a net down to F-15/VF-20 on this one. I like it, and I would not hesitate to buy it had I the funds.
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that scratch looks like the die crack for S139 I think?
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 Posted 05/18/2016  4:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is incuse, so no. Plus, the die crack for the S-139 points in a different direction.
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i know little about this type of large cent but it did look like that crack or scratch was in the same spot as the picture on S-139 at largecent.net
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sold for $796 so I am thinking die crack over scratch.
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I stand corrected. I was looking at the wrong variety.

http://www.largecents.net/collectio...ics/s139.jpg
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 Posted 05/20/2016  3:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting. Looks to be VF-35 or even EF-40 based on wear alone.
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 Posted 05/21/2016  03:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 732amran to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
certainly a details grade
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S-139.
I really can't tell from those pictures whether the surface is rough/micro porous, or is it just spotty toning.
This is a cent which you need to have in hand to assess properly.
Judging by the detail alone, it certainly seems VF25 to VF30.

Regarding S-139: Breen says S-139 is often mistaken for S-124. I can certainly attest to that. I have a cent in my collection which was attributed by a dealer many years ago as S-124. It was not until a had a decent catalogue with decent pictures to properly attribute coppers that I find out it is really S-139. Huge difference in rarity. R-1 vs. R-5+. It was very cheap so no harm done, and I was able to pick up an S-124 a short while later
as well.
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EF or better sharpness but overall granular surface knocks it down to a net grade of VF-20. The mark appears to be into the surface, so I'd say that it's a scratch. Given the surface issues, it doesn't take much if anything off the net grade.

Although the net grade is VF-20, many copper collectors would rather have a unnetted VF-20 piece that this one.
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