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New UK 5 Pound Note Out In September With Pics

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 Posted 10/10/2016  01:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Anaximander to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't have a paper £5 signed by Victoria Cleland, the current chief cashier. Is it because none have been made, holding off for the introduction of the new polymer note? Paper fivers currently in circulation seem to be generally tatty, which makes me think they have not been making paper replacements for a while.
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There are no paper £5 notes with Victoria Cleland's signature:

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publ...015/031.aspx
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 Posted 10/11/2016  06:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PacoMartin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The £50 note may be taken out of circulation after Bank of England says there are 'no plans' to introduce new plastic notes
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...are-unteara/

The ratio of £20 notes to £50 notes in circulation has been fairly steady for the previous 8 years although the £50 was slightly more common 9-12 years ago.
8.7 2004
8.9 2005
8.7 2006
8.9 2007
8.5 2008
8.1 2009
8.1 2010
7.8 2011
8.4 2012
8.5 2013
8.3 2014
8.2 2015
7.8 2016

The implication is that the £50 serves some value in British society, and they will have to increase £20 production by about 1/3 to replace the value of the £50.

Production of Bank of England £50 banknotes (Millions of notes)
2009/10 118 (older series)
2010/11 0
2011/12 278
2012/13 0
2013/14 90
2014/15 72
2015/16 0

On the other hand there has been limited production of the cotton £50 banknote in the last four years. Perhaps the speech at the unveiling of the new £5 note at Blenheim Palace, where Bank of England Governor Mr Carney said there were "no plans" to introduce a new £50 model, is a the first public announcement that there will be no more cotton £50 banknotes produced. When the £20 polymer banknote is introduced they will also announce a date when the £50 will become invalid.


In the USA the $100 circulated at half the rate of the $20 banknote (in total number of notes) and since 2008 has been circulating in higher numbers. Almost 80% of the value of US currency in circulation is in the $100 banknote. So to eliminate the denomination (even allowing for some increase in the $50 banknotes) would have a massive effect on world finances.

Ratio of $100 banknotes in circulation over $20 banknotes
57% 1995
59% 1996
66% 1997
71% 1998
67% 1999
78% 2000
84% 2001
88% 2002
91% 2003
96% 2004
93% 2005
93% 2006
93% 2007
100% 2008
103% 2009
108% 2010
110% 2011
116% 2012
119% 2013
125% 2014
126% 2015

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10/11/2016 06:35 am
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 Posted 10/12/2016  07:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PacoMartin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
At current rates of exchange 20GBP=217SEK. If UK were to follow through with their plan to eliminate to the £50 banknote one way would be to replace the present mix of 2,052 million £20 notes and 263 million £50 notes with 2,710 million polymer banknotes of £20 value. As the actual transfer won't happen for several years, the numbers will be higher.

The value of all four denominations of GBP banknotes is £63,601 million or roughly £1000 per capita if you include coins.

But even if the British radically beat the Swedes by having the largest banknote worth roughly 200SEK (while the 500SEK and 1000SEK banknotes are still in circulation) the total value of banknotes and coin relative to GDP is still much higher. The £5 and £10 banknotes plus coins are worth £221 per capita, while the GDP is £28,700 per capita. So the small notes and coins are worth about .8% of GDP.

So the big question would be would the Bank of England not only remove the £50 banknote, but following Sweden's lead not replace them with an equivalent amount of smaller denominations.

Remember that the Bank of Canada made the promise to supply a sufficient number of smaller denomination banknotes when they removed the CAD$1000 banknote in the year 2000. Of course, it was a fairly easy promise to make for the Bank of Canada to make since the amount of money circulating in the $1000 banknote was under CAD$4 billion, whereas for UK the amount is £13 billion in the largest banknote.







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 Posted 09/28/2020  08:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add redlock to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Does anyone know how many of the new £5 (and £10 and £20) were produced between 2017 and 2020?

Unfortunately, the Bank of England has stopped putting this data onto their website. (At least, I cannot find it). The last time this data was released was for the period 2016/2017.

I know from a report about cash in the UK which was published by BoE that the £5 and £50 were printed 2018/19, the £10 and £20 2017/18, 2018/19 and 2019/20. But not how many.
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To clarify redlock's statement the Central Banks seem to be obfuscating the number of banknotes produced and the number of banknotes issued. The Bank of England has a table of banknotes issued, but they may have produced a lot more.

Value of banknotes issued (£ millions)
Each year we issue new banknotes to replace unfit ones and to meet any increases in overall demand. The value of each denomination issued are shown in the table below.

          £5	£10	£20	£50	Total
2013/14	  793	2,141	5,281	2,260	10,474
2014/15	  869	2,433	6,202	2,165	11,668
2015/16	  977	5,683	5,056	1,831	13,547
2016/17	1,643	4,008	6,382	3,188	15,220
2017/18	  386	8,192	3,291	2,169	14,039
2018/19	  154	3,568	1,211	1,616	 6,549
2019/20	  226	3,002	5,198	  369	 8,795


The US seems to be very clear (unless they are having problems) about production numbers, but they don't release statistics about number issued. For example, the 2009 color $100 banknotes are listed as 1,440,000,000 produced but they had serious flaws in them and were held back until better machinery could be developed to remove the flawed notes. To this day they have never released how many of these notes were actually issued.

Sweden consider production quantities (actually order quantities) as a state secret, so we don't know how many 1000SEK banknotes were actually ordered. They only distribute a tiny number of these notes, so nobody knows if they have a warehouse full of 1000SEK notes if the economy were to tank.

Sweden circulation number in millions of SEK
3,128 kr --- coins (1kr, 2kr, 5kr and 10kr)
41,869 kr --- 500kr notes (worth US$55.88 apiece) for ATMs
12,044 kr --- 20kr, 50kr, 100kr, 200kr, 1000kr banknotes
5,493 kr --- Invalid banknotes which can still be turned in to the Central Bank, but are not legal tender in stores.

Norges bank ordered 24.4 million new 1000NKK banknotes in 2019 (launched on 14 November 2019) to replace the 11.5923 million 1000NKK banknotes in circulation at the end of 2019. So we have good evidence that Norges will still be supporting this denomination for the next decade at least.

It is not clear how cashlessness will come about (if ever). South Korea has declared coins will no longer be legal tender at some date, with the possibility that notes may not be legal tender at some date in the future.

Sweden will probably wait until they issue the e-krona, and also the invalid banknotes have reached their expiration date. They could stop production of all but the 500kr banknote so foreigners, or people who are stuffing money under a mattress, and the inflexible can still get cash from ATMS. But change can only be provided on phone apps or cards or deposited into bank accounts with SWISH.
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10/01/2020 3:03 pm
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