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Dream Lens.....which Is Better?

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Trying to save up some $$ to buy once, cry once.

Get the APO Rodagon-N 80mm f/4, APO Rodagon-N 105mm f/4 or APO Rodagon-D1 75mm f/4?

Or, other suggestions? Discuss.......
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The Rodagon-N series are enlarger lenses. They have their best performance from 1:20 up to 1:2. You can reverse them and get good performance from 2:1 up to 4:1 or so but it takes a very long bellows.

The 75ARD1 is a duplication lens. It has best performance from 1:2 up to 2:1. This is the optimum range for most coin photography.

I generally don't recommend buying expensive enlarger lenses for coins, unless the user is mostly doing large coins and medals.

Now, if your system has too much minimum extension to work well with the 75mm lens, it might be a good indicator that you should go with enlarger lenses rather than duplication, ie you're doing lower magnifications. Longer lenses let you photograph larger coins, but require bigger setups.
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Just a FYI comment:

The "Dream Lens" is the Canon 50mm F0.95. I have always wondered how it would perform with macro work. Its a very old and expensive lens. It earned its "dream lens" nick name because of its dreamy Bokeh ( background blur). It is used for fantastic portraits so I would expect using it for coins would be disappointing. From what little I know the only lens that beats it is the 1930's Leica 90 mm Thambar( I may have spelt that wrong)
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Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L IS USM Macro
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Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L IS USM Macro


Anyone have any pics of dimes to dollars using this lens or the same non-IS lens? Also, any guidance/advice on this same setup, but in 180mm?

I currently use enlarger lenses with auto bellows on Rays <$400 setup, but want to try something Canon native that will work both on coins and regular shooting.

Thanks in advance.
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Anyone have any pics of dimes to dollars using this lens or the same non-IS lens?


I'm assuming you're referring to the diameter of the coin being between the dime and dollar (rather than the face value), so here are three pics taken with the non-IS Canon 100mm f/2.8 macro lens:


1883 nickel:
Dream-Lens.....which-Is-Better?


1852 quarter:
Dream-Lens.....which-Is-Better?

1885 dollar:
Dream-Lens.....which-Is-Better?

These were early (Oct. 2004) digital test pics, to see if a digital camera could outdo the old HP scanner (much better than modern ones) or film. These pics are very fuzzy by current standards, but they sure beat the heck out of film, and were comparable to the scanner.

Factors contributing to the low sharpness:

1) No live view. Focusing was through the small DSLR viewfinder, which was worse than a film camera, and getting critical focus was mostly guesswork. For some reason, autofocus didn't seem to work well for macro back then, with this camera (Canon 10D).

2) No copy stand. These were shot using a tripod standing on the floor, while the coin was on the kitchen table. This setup is much less stable than a copy stand.

3) Small 6MP sensor on the Canon 10D, compared to the current 24MP sensor, so right away resolution is cut in half.

I suspect that item (1) is the biggest culprit here. Anyway, I continued scanning coins rather than using the DSLR for several more years after this. I didn't start doing routine coin photos until 2011, when tethered shooting with live view came along, revolutionizing the whole coin imaging process.

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I've been thinking about getting a Canon 100mm to include in a future 100mm shootout. SD has high praise for the lens, so it seems only fair to include it. Maybe I would use it for flower and bug macro as well to make the investment make sense. I suppose the question is which version to get? Comments on this welcome. Is the older non-USM as good optically as the newer USM? How much better is the L version to justify the higher cost?
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When you can focus it well (or use stacking), the old non-IS version of this lens works quite well. Here is a 100% crop from a non-coin photo using Zerene Stacker, taken in Mar. 2014:

Dream-Lens.....which-Is-Better?

Here's the whole photo -- a Miranda Model C camera from the late 1950s:

Dream-Lens.....which-Is-Better?

This is similar to the Miranda model A, which is the first SLR that I ever used, back in the early 1960s. It's probably a good thing that I never tried to take coin photos with it, since there was no through-the-lens metering, or macro lens for it (or even close-up attachments). The film used was the unforgiving Kodachrome II, and you had to get the exposure just right when taking the pic, or else.
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Looks good. Seems I have inexpensive options. Does anyone have both older and newer lenses to compare?
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The Tamron 90mm f/2.8 SP Di MACRO 1:1 VC USD Lens for Canon is on sale at B&H. Seems to be comparable to the aforementioned Canon dream lens.

Can any of you experienced photographers speak to the pros/cons of the Tamron as compared to the Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L IS USM Macro?
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I don't have direct experience, but a test sequence I saw on the Tamron indicated it is the very best 1:1 macro lens you can buy in the ~100mm range.
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@rmpsrpms. It would be interesting to know where it is written that tamron is the best money can buy at 100mm macro.

I was a nikon's user. I changed to canon just because I wanted the best for coin photography. Canon 100mm is the best by far and made me change to canon.

I spent a lot of money experimenting in various lens and finally, canon 100mm gave me the best results. There is one problem though. It is a high price lens. For me, it worth it.
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When the Tamron came out, a magazine did an article testing the various ~100mm macro lenses, and the Tamron's sharpness and resolution came out above the competition. I read about the review over on MF lenses forum, but don't remember which magazine it was. As I remember, the results were quite good, approaching the performance of the PN105 in the center, though of course neither the Tamron nor Canon lenses are apochromatic. I will try to find the thread where this was discussed.
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Thanks Ray. As the OP, I appreciate all the input from you and others. It'll be a few months before I take the dive, but I want to be sure.
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Canon EOS 40D 100mm Canon Non USM Lens
LED Lighting Cropped from frame no resizing.
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Canon EOS 60D 100mm Canon USM Lens Non IS.
Flouro Lighting Cropped from frame no resizing.
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Ford....all I can say is WOW!
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