Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Shop for APMEX Bullion on eBay!300,000 items to help build your collection! Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. Specializing in Modern Numismatics Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

Please Identify Dragon Silver Coin, 26.5g. (Kwang Tung Prov)

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 4 / Views: 12,376Next Topic  
New Member

United States
28 Posts
 Posted 02/25/2008  09:29 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add myestate to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello,

Would someone please help identify this coin in the world coin catalog? I wonder if this is a pattern coin? Also, what is the grade and value of this coin.

Thank you very much!

Please-Identify-Dragon-Silver-Coin,-26.5g.-Kwang-Tung-Prov

Please-Identify-Dragon-Silver-Coin,-26.5g.-Kwang-Tung-Prov
Edited by myestate
02/27/2008 7:55 pm
Pillar of the Community
United States
1231 Posts
 Posted 02/25/2008  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add onejinx to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are 3 patterns from the Kwangtung Province listed as year 1889
Pn5 20 cents
Pn6 50 cents
Pn7 50 cents

First you would need to determine if the pattern coin is real or a copy. I don't know anything about them, so I couldn't help you there.

If the pattern is real 2008 Krause has them listed for $5500 for the 20 cent and $7500 for the 50's. Krause doesn't list any grades for them
Edited by onejinx
02/25/2008 7:37 pm
New Member
United States
28 Posts
 Posted 02/25/2008  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add myestate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for replying.

In the World Coin Catalog, the photos above Kwang Tung Province Pn5, Pn6, and Pn7 shows a Tael. I think it is Pn3, PnA4 of K#932. But mine is a dollar, and I can't seem to find information on it. Could it be possible that the coin was never documented?

I am not sure if my coin is authentic, but it feels and looks very authentic with some light toning. It weights 26.58 Grams.

Thank you
Moderator
Learn More...
Sap's Avatar
Australia
16830 Posts
 Posted 02/26/2008  05:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sadly, fakes of these coins have been pouring out of China for some years now. By all accounts, many do indeed look good and "sound good" - the Chinese fakemasters have apparently become expert at making cheap alloys that look and sound just like solid silver. Most don't weigh good, but yours is close - very close. At less than a gram underweight, it's much more convincing than usual.

We see them occasionally here on the forum; this one posted last year is the same design as yours. Jtr's example, Scoutjim's example and the one on zeno.ru are all shoddier and more "fake-looking" than yours, but I'm still highly skeptical that this one could be genuine.

The weight given on the coin, the bottom line of script on the bottom pic, says "7 mace 2 (candareens)" - it's a dollar, or claiming to be one, anyway; the character for "candareen" is actually missing. That alone leads me to be suspicious.

I suspect someone's taken their dies for the fantasy tael and modified them to resemble a pattern dollar (Pn8 or Pn15), which according to Krause were never actually struck in silver (they weren't even struck in China; they were Birmingham Mint patterns). But they forgot that the script for the dollar weight was six characters long rather than 5, and rather than squeeze the missing character over on the left hand side and making the legend assymetrical, they simply left "candareen" off, and hoped no-one would notice.

I can't be absolutely certain of this theory, however; genuine patterns are so scarce, I can't find a picture of one on the net or in my books to confirm it, so maybe the genuine ones have "candareen" missing as well. But I doubt it. I certainly can't find any other Chinese dollar with this critical character missing.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
New Member
United States
28 Posts
 Posted 02/26/2008  10:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add myestate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for replying. I also noticed that the character "candareen" is missing, which, made me skeptical about the authenticity. The weight of the coin is within range of most Chinese silver dollar. The lowest weight I've seen on a dollar is the Kweichow Auto Dollar weighting in at 25.80. And some republic dollars weight as high as 27.00. Weighting in at 26.58 for this coin makes it hard for me to think it is a fake. I hope someone can confirm the origin of this coin.

Thank you.
  Previous TopicReplies: 4 / Views: 12,376Next Topic  

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.23 seconds to rattle this change. Forums