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Please Grade This Slighty Mad 1957-D LWC

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This is the 1st LWC I have put up for grading. Just started collecting them and my Son saved this for me. Gave it to me last night. Got like 70 of them from him and a 1900 Indian Head cent to boot! This one is in the best condition.

I did notice the MAD and yes the "L" in liberty in just about(but not quite) on the rim on this one. Also seems to show MAD on reverse as well somewhat.

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What do you grade it?
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 Posted 06/24/2016  6:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice one...

Looks, MS-63ish to me.
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This is on off center strike not a MAD. MAD is just when one side of the coin is misaligned. It doesn't command any premium until some of the devices are affected.
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Good job with the pictures!

AU-55

Sjlund is correct, it's not a MAD, it's just slightly off-center, no premium.

Here's an example of a very strong MAD:


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Thanks guys. Learning a little more every day, Both sides= offset One side = MAD...got it.
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I believe it is possible to have a double MAD, also (MAD on both sides) , but then to tell the die would have to be misaligned in different directions on either side of the coin. Yours is a minor off center because it is misaligned in the same direction.
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MS62RD. It is off center which is quite often for lincoln pennies.
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ok...this question is to help me understand - what I am seeing. the grade extinates are fron AU55-MS63 (from experienced - knowledgable posters on theis forum). I have respect - and admiration for these people.

when I look at the obverses of this coin, is that not - circulation wear on Lincolns cheek, beard, forehead, ear and lapel. at one time I though I was pretty good at grade estimates, but I am not so confident any more. to me this coin seems to have circulation wear, (less obvious on the reverse that the obverse).

i would have graded it AU58+/-.

i guess I need to become better aware of what I am looking at.

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Very difficult to grade this sort of coin from pics because strike weakness can appear like wear. In hand, you can look for luster breaks. Could be 58, could be 62...?

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I was kind of shocked to see the MS grades on this as well. Wasn't sure if it was weak strike in obverse or light wear, but figured luster would put it in the high AU area anyway.

Considering the condition of the rest of the coins this came with, and comparing luster to the few MS ones I do have, I'm at AU58.

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Come on guys , so little commitment. To much variation. Is safe though. I'd commit to say I'll bet knowing PCGS well enough at least a MS60. Strikes on both side even off set strong enough to deserve a min. MS
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is that not - circulation wear on Lincolns cheek, beard, forehead, ear and lapel


No. That looks to me like perhaps album friction. Also, sometimes a well-kept coin will retain a frosty luster (mint frost) that sits almost like dust up on the surface, and the slightest friction will remove it forever.

If it were wear, you would also see luster breaks in the fields.

It could even be from a thumb-rub (which I really doubt). TPG like PCGS will allow a thumb rub for MS grades up to 65.

I think this one could fetch MS-65 RD.
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mamastinky, a coin with corrosion marks could not be graded above ms63.
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MS63RD, the strike and frost breaks kills it from anything higher IMO.
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