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wildflowerAB Pillar of the Community Canada 2845 Posts	Posted 06/27/2016 01:52 am Quote: Neither was the '36 dot cent, try openly selling a counterfeit of that. A 1936 cent is legal tender dot or no dot. Report this Post to the Staff
wildflowerAB Pillar of the Community Canada 2845 Posts	Posted 06/27/2016 02:49 am 448 In this Part, counterfeit money includes (a) a false coin or false paper money that resembles or is apparently intended to resemble or pass for a current coin or current paper money, (b) a forged bank-note or forged blank bank-note, whether complete or incomplete, (c) a genuine coin or genuine paper money that is prepared or altered to resemble or pass for a current coin or current paper money of a higher denomination, (d) a current coin from which the milling is removed by filing or cutting the edges and on which new milling is made to restore its appearance, (e) a coin cased with gold, silver or nickel, as the case may be, that is intended to resemble or pass for a current gold, silver or nickel coin, and (f) a coin or a piece of metal or mixed metals that is washed or coloured by any means with a wash or material capable of producing the appearance of gold, silver or nickel and that is intended to resemble or pass for a current gold, silver or nickel coin; (monnaie contrefaite) current means lawfully current in Canada or elsewhere by virtue of a law, proclamation or regulation in force in Canada or elsewhere as the case may be; http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/...html#docCont ****** Must be current. DBM would you consider a 1911 SD to be a current coin? That'd be a tough sell considering Canada's first SD wasn't issued until 1935. Report this Post to the Staff
SPP-Ottawa Moderator Canada 10460 Posts	Posted 06/27/2016 09:30 am Quote: Is this not a counterfeit? No, it is not. Quote: Is the RCNA once again appearing to condone the sale of counterfeits? Seriously? Why don't you educate yourself on exactly what this is, and why it was produced (legally, with permission of The Royal Mint, who had the originals), rather than taking a baseball bat and swinging for the fences? "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert Oppenheimer Content of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_US My eBay store Report this Post to the Staff
Pacificoin Pillar of the Community Canada 5400 Posts	Posted 06/27/2016 10:48 am I think it would be an historical piece that I would love to own , but not at that price. Electro types have been produced by various mints over time and are not counterfeits. There is no attempt to deceive at all. The purpose and intent was more likely to educate and display examples of rare coins without exposing the real pieces to theft or damage. It will be very interesting to see what this "semi official sample" sells for. I will bet it ends up in a major TPG slab afterwards. Research shows this piece sold for 2100 GBP as lot 1702 Dix Noonan Webb , the same price as the 4 piece uniface BC Gold in fitted case Lot 1701. Edited by Pacificoin 06/27/2016 11:01 am Report this Post to the Staff
wildflowerAB Pillar of the Community Canada 2845 Posts	Posted 06/27/2016 10:57 am It baffles me how fake knockoffs illegally manufactured for profit could be confused with a historical prototype of significance that was produced 100 years ago or so, by permission granted through The Royal Mint to Ready and Sons. This is an example of a way of viewing history that I find especially irritating --- and how common it is today that we turn our persnickety nose down toward the past in general by deeming it of absolutely no value if it does not precisely meet or conform with society of today. Report this Post to the Staff
ace_ftw Pillar of the Community Canada 1747 Posts	Posted 06/27/2016 11:36 am It is interesting in the definition of a counterfeit that wildflower quoted above all 6 points refer to "Current" coinage. could one argue that this means the current year date? the current decade, or what could actually be used in todays market? Report this Post to the Staff
wildflowerAB Pillar of the Community Canada 2845 Posts	Posted 06/27/2016 12:13 pm The notation to the Criminal Code -- "current means lawfully current in Canada or elsewhere by virtue of a law, proclamation or regulation in force in Canada or elsewhere as the case may be"; My opinion, in Canada the law that presently governs what is "lawfully current" by the Royal Canadian Mint Act. Coin issuance is and has been supported by an Order by the Governor in Council. Either in this Act or the Currency Act (can't remember where at the moment), is authority to demonetize prior Orders (nothing has been at present). "Elsewhere, as the case may be" I presume would refer to The Royal Mint in prior times. http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/...html#docCont Taking that at face value then, it would seem official counterfeit legislation encompasses every Order of every coin until it is no longer current. That does not rule out intent to defraud and civil action, for example if someone were to fake a 1930 50c piece, an Order for which never existed. The technical difference between the legal usage of the word "counterfeit" and other fake coins that never existed or were never authorized by an Order would appear to distinguish the importance between Canada issued coins and currency - which legally they own, distribute and hold reserves for redemption - as opposed to fakes/illegal reproduction of effigies, etc which is a different area of law pertaining to copyright infringement and fraud. Report this Post to the Staff
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