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Thanks!

Since Philadelphia minted all of Panama's coins up until the 60s or 80s, there is a lot of collector interest here in the US, which means there is a lot of literature on the subject, too. Don't remember where I found all of the info, but you can find it all with a little googling.
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Cleaning things up and decided to post this little run:

Portuguese India, Silver rupees (all .917 fine, 30.5mm and 11.66g)

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Left to right:

- Luis I 1882
- Carlos I 1905
- Republic, Liberty type 1912/1
- Republic, Coat of Arms type 1935

This is not the complete picture, but it is the most interesting and affordable bit. Rupees were made well before the machine coinage of the area, but they are silly expensive. Likewise, after 1935, the rupee was made again in 1947 in *basically* the same design but .500 silver, and again in 1952 in cupronickel. Portuguese India switched to the Escudo at 6 Escudos = 1 Rupia. There was a base metal 6 Escudos coin made in 1959, but it did not last long because India "repatriated" Goa in a surprise attack in 1960. I don't have any of these later coins because they just seem expensive compared to the 1935 in good silver.
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Here is the most complete portion of my Rome imperial collection; an antoninianus from every Crisis era emperor.

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Strap your seat belts for a history crash course!


Background:
The Antoninianus is a modern name for a "double denarius" coin introduced by the emperor Caracalla in 215 to inflate the currency supply to stay on top of his exorbitant increases to the salaries of his soldiers. They did not contain a full double amount of silver to match their face value, and were very unpopular. They were produced sporadically until Elagabalus outlawed them, around 220. The semblance of stability vanished in 235 when a general named Maximinus Thrax assasinated Elagabalus' cousin Alexander and began an iron-fisted rule by the military for the military. The Senate hated him, and appointed provincial governors Gordian I and II as co-emperors against Maximinus. They were dead within 36 days. Knowing what he would do upon reaching Rome, they appointed the elderly senators Pupienus and Balbinus as co-emperors again, and Maximinus was killed in a mutiny among his soldiers in 238. Due to the financial stresses of this crisis, Pupienus and Balbinus re-issued the antoninianus. The senators were not popular, and they appointed the 13 year old nephew of Gordian II as co-emperor. This still did not make them popular, and they were dead within two months of Maximinus, leaving the teenaged Gordian III in charge of the whole empire. Under Gordian III the Antoninianus became the dominant silver currency of the empire. Here's were we start.

First row, left to right:
- Gordian III 238-244. Ascended the throne at age 13 and enjoyed a reasonably prosperous rule, mostly as a figurehead while the Senate ran things. Died age 19 while on campaign against the Persians, probably murdered by his own soldiers.

- (missing) Tranquillina, wife of Gordian III. Scarce and expensive.

- Philip I "The Arab" 244-249. Gordian III's praetorian prefect (chief of body guards). Possibly implicated in his death. Rule was marked by numerous usurpers to the throne, and increasingly aggressive raids by barbarians. Died in battle outside of Rome against Trajan Decius over the title of Emperor. Rumored to have secretly converted to Christianity.

- Philip II, Philip's young son appointed co-emperor at age 9 in 247 to establish a line of succession. Stabbed to death in his mother's arms hours after his father's death to establish Decius as the undisputed emperor.

- (missing) Otacilla Severa, wife of Philip I. Retired to obscurity after 249.

- Trajan Decius 249-251. Senator who was placed at the head of an army to defeat a usurper against Philip I. Ironically he was declared emperor immediately after, and marched on Rome as a usurper himself. He defeated Philip and his position was ratified by the Senate. Oversaw especially harsh persecution of Christians. Died along with his son and co-emperor Herennius Etruscus in 251 when a Gothic commander lured his armies into a trap.

- Herennia Etruscilla, wife of Trajan Decius

- (missing) Herennius Etruscus, co-emperor with Trajan Decius. Antoninianii are common, but expensive.

- (missing) Hostilian, younger son and co-emperor with Trebonianus Gallus for two months before dying of plague. All coins are scarce; antoninianii are rare.

- Trebonianus Gallus 251-253. Governor of Moesia under Decius, proclaimed emperor upon the news of the latter's death. Adopted Hostilian as co-emperor, then elevated his son Volusian. Defeated in 253 by another claimant to the throne. Debased the antoninianus from about 40% to under 20% fine.

- Volusian 251-253. Son and co-emperor of Trebonianus Gallus.

- (missing) Aemelian, ruled for 3 months in 253 after defeating Gallus and Volusian. Extremely rare.

Second row:

- Valerian I, 253-258. Censor under Decius, then proclaimed emperor and defeated Aemelian. Debased the antoninianus significantly to about 12% fine. Appointed his son Gallienus as co-emperor in the West so he could focus on the threat of the Sassanian empire in the East. He was summoned to a peace negotiation with Shapur I in 260, but Shapur brought more body guards, killed Valerian's body guards, and took Valerian as prisoner of war. It is said he lived his final years as a slave, with Shapur using him as a human foot stool. After incessant offers of gold for his release, Shapur poured molten gold down the emperor's throat and had him taxidermied.

-(missing) Mariniana, the very scarce wife of Valerian I who died before 253

- Valerian II, 256-258. Oldest son of Gallienus. Appointed caesar and placed in Sirmium (Serbia) under the care of the general Ingenuus. Died about age 15, probably murdered.

- Saloninus, 259-260. Brother of Valerian II. Installed as emperor in Gaul (France) by his father Gallienus around the time of Valerian's capture. Killed by the usurper Postumus.

- Gallienus, 253-268. Son of Valerian I and emperor of a crumbling empire. Under his rule, the border against the Goths was weakened, the entire provinces of Gaul and Syria seceded and became independent empires, and the antoninianus was debased to about 3% fine, and all other denominations were cancelled. Killed in a conspiracy executed by soldiers Claudius and Aurelian.

- Salonina, wife of Gallienus. Reportedly very upset with her husband about their two sons.

- Claudius II "Gothicus" 268-270. Assasinated Gallienus and led a short but very successful rule, repelling a significant Gothic invasion and bringing stability back to the empire. Died of a plague outbreak. Fineness of the antoninianus fell to under 2%.

- Quintillus, 270. Young brother of Claudius II, ruled undisputed for a few weeks or months. Killed himself to avoid civil war with fellow claimant Aurelian.

Row 3: Secessionist empires

- Postumus, 260-269. Created the Gallic empire upon the death of Saloninus. Increased the fineness of the antoninianus significantly. Murdered by his army when he refused to let them sack a city that was harboring a usurper.

-(missing) Marius, a common soldier picked from the crowd to succeed Postumus. Gave the go-ahead to sack Mainz. Said to have ruled for 4 days. Extremely rare.

- Victorinus 269-270. General under Postumus. Murdered by one of his soldiers after getting too friendly with said soldier's wife.

- Tetricus I, 270-274. Governor under Postumus and Victorinus, declared emperor following the death of Victorinus. Said to have happily surrendered power to Aurelian, and was allowed to retire and live out his days peacefully with his son.

- Tetricus II, caesar under his father.

- Vabalathus, 267-272. Emperor of the Palmyrene empire in Syria. Initially friendly with Aurelian, but then went to war with him. Captured and either died en route to Rome, or was allowed retire to sip margaritas with the Tetricii.

Fourth row:

- Aurelian 270-275. Top commander under Gallienus and Claudius II, then seized power from Quintillus. Succeeded in pushing back nearly every barbarian invasion, then reclaimed the Gallic and Palmyrene empires, but abandoned the province of Dacia permanently. Increased the size of the antoninianus, and set the fineness at 4.76%.  Murdered when a secretary told a lie, and forged execution orders out of fear of punishment.

- Severina, 275. Wife of Aurelian, she ruled the empire as classical Rome's only empress for a few weeks. Forced to step down when the Senate nominated a successor.

- Tacitus, 275-276. Elderly senator, and the last person ever to be appointed emperor by the Senate. Died of old age after 10 months in office.

- (missing) Florian, 276. Brother of Tacitus, ruled for 88 days. Very scarce.

- Probus, 276-282. Governor of the East under Aurelian and Tacitus, declared emperor against and defeated Florian. Continued to repel invasions and attempted to repopulate the frontier lands. Murdered by disaffected troops.

- Carus 282-283. Former senator and praetorian prefect under Probus; proclaimed emperor when Probus was murdered. Led very successful campaigns and sacked the Sassanian capital of Ctesiphon. Died at age 61, reportedly when his tent was struck by lightning.

- Carinus, 283-285. Eldest son of Carus, and left in charge of the West. Said to have been a tyrant and a womanizer. Led some opposition against Diocletian, who was victorious and erased records of Carinus via Damnatio Memoriae.

- (missing) Magnia Urbica, wife of Carinus. Very rare.

- (missing) Nigrinian, son of Carinus. Exceptionally rare.

- Numerian, 283-284. Accompanied his father in the East, and assumed control of that portion on Carus' death. Said to be likable and well-read. Fell ill and was confined to a closed coach with his advisors being the only ones allowed to see him. The army forced their way into the coach and found a rotting corpse. His advisors were put to death and Diocletian declared emperor in competition with Carinus.

Fifth row:

- Diocletian, 284-305. Captain of the cavalry under Numerian, defeated Carinus after about a year of campaigning. Generally credited with bringing an end to the Crisis when he established his Tetrarchy system of organized co-rule between four emperors. Officially brought the old system of Roman currency to an end with a reformed system centered around the much more massive follis.

- Carausius 286-293. Renegade general of Diocletian who declared Britain as an independent Roman empire. An intellectual fellow who fancied that he would usher in a new golden age for Rome. Killed by his finance minister Allectus.

- Allectus 293-296. Killed Carausius and continued the sentiment of British independence as a new Rome. Defeated by Constantius I Chlorus, father of Constantine the Great.

Sixth row:

An assortment of "barbarous radiates". These are non-official copies of the antoninianus that are thought to have filled the role of small change when Aurelian reformed the Antoninianus in about 272. They range from decent, literate copies all the way down to comically childish, illiterate babble. Nearly all that have coherent legends show the name of Tetricus, but they can also be found of Victorinus, Claudius II, Gallienus, and Postumus.
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And people say Roman coins are intimidating!

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Very nice!

Interesting history. I do think I need to read through that again though.
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Gallienus you have great coins!! I like all yours Standing Liberty Peruvian coins, Specially 1850 1 Escudo Peru Republic..
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Oooo first time I have seen this thread! Thank you Escu for digging it up.

Off to see if I have something to contribute......
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to the Community, Escudoguy!


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You're welcome Escudoguy. Actually I misread the original theme of the article and instead posted a denomination set instead of a denomination run.

I don't know how long you've been collecting but the gold Escudos of Independent Latin America can be pretty rare. You can find them occasionally when large collections are broken up but sometimes you can pick them up singly when the buyers at those auctions get tired of the things and consign them at minor sales.

Do you collect the Brazilian 3200 reis gold as well? Now those are quite rare as only 33 have been certified by NGC in all grades & dates. I don't have one but I should keep my eyes open for one. My oldest Brazilian gold is a mint state 1696 4,000 reis: 2nd year of issue as I was unable to find the 1695 just yet. NGC has a single specimen listed in VF-45.
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I'm sorry but I have two problems with your post on Roman Antoninanni.

1st Your depiction of me is very unflattering. Here I am on one of my more silver antoninnanii; smiling in fact!

2nd Your history omits the fact that I fought for 20 years to restore & reunite the Roman Empire which had split into 3 pieces. The Gallic Empire up North, the Palymerian Empire down south, and the regular Roman Empire under me. It was an unceasing thankless task and admittedly I didn't win all my battles but I did put down quite a few upsurpers. Actually the restored empire, which Aurelian gets all the credit for, was largely due to my previous efforts!

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Gallienus, I have been collecting for 1 year. I am trying to collect by dates and type. I am almost done with types for Peru Republic 1/2 and 1 Escudo. I am also collecting Ecuador, Bolivia, and Colombia. Actually, I need 2 types to complete my type set, and one of those is the 1850 Peru Escudo you have haha, it is a rare date.

I have not gotten into Brazil, yet. However, they have very nice coins and also market and prices are higher than the other countries. I was told by a friend collector that years ago (2010-211) was the BOOM! for Brazilian coins. You have a nice Collection. Which countries do you Collect?
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Hi Escudoguy,

I imagine the gold escudos are quite rare and were made for Gov't salaries and such in the countries concerned. As you know it was hazardous to transport gold bullion all over the country so gold was often brought to local mints for striking .

It would be quite nice to see your escudo collection. Can you post it here? These coins are very low mintage, in many cases the "2 Escudos" were made in larger #'s.

Regarding the 1850 1 escudo I believe this coin is ex-Hammil* (spelling?) which was a famous gold collection sold around 1982. In the Hammil catalog the 1850 escudo was described as "unc" but was unplated.

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Eventually I could be persuaded to part with it but right now I'm trying to research Latin American coins for articles. Also I'm trying to fix my website which discusses coins and their histories. People will be able to upload items and collections but right now it's not working yet.

I like to see the variety in coins so with Brazil for example I like to buy the high grade copper coins in the 1700's as well as the silver, and occasionally try for the gold. In LA, I range from Argentina to Mexico but try to stay within the early Independence period.

*a friend gave me the auction catalog so when I get home, I'll provide the correct reference.
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Hi Gallienus,

Yes, mintage was low for these coins, and I believe most of them were melted years later by people who wanted to use that gold to make jewelry since there were not many coin collectors in Peru at that time. What does "Unplated" means?. Your coin is beautiful showing all the details! Could be, but I was looking at the 1850 from ex Hamel Collection, on the photo seems that the crown is weak strike above the Coat of Arms of Peru. Here is the photo I got that says 1850 the Ex-Hamel. (The photo was taken from Heritage Sale in 2005.)




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Your website sounds great, I hope it gets to work soon! Furthermore, I will be interested in reading your articles about Latin America Coins. About the 1850 I will be happy to add it to my collection. Moreover, about the Peru Republic 1 Escudos, the early ones minted in Lima had a weak strike on the liberty showing some flatness on it. Later years like 1840 Cuzco and later had a nicer strike.

You do all Latin America and Colonial coins from Brazil, thats great! I am collecting Colonial and Republic coins from some countries in S. America: Peru, Bolivia, Colombia, Ecuador, and Chile. Do you have 1 Escudo from another country? or 1/2 Escudo from Peru?

Of course, I am uploading some of the coins from my collection.. There is no population for the 1830 Cuzco in any Grading company, and I believe it has not been offered in any auction for the last 100 years:


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Gallienus, today I saw a collection of a friend that collect Reis! They are beautiful coins!!
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