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Counterfeit Morgan ?

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So I bought this Morgan 1888 the other night without really thinking for $22 on ebay just something to throw in the coin roll not really a collectors item 1888 P. Seller had 73 feedback with a star and location was Boston Mass so I didn't think too much until it shiped when I found four things:

1. He sold three identical ones;
2. It shiped from Chine
3. Seller was registered in UK
4. All the feedback is at least one year old

The picture means nothing as you can pull a picture from anywhere but should I be expecting a fake when it comes in? To me this has red flags all over it and I wouldn't have bought it if I had known he was in the UK listed as Boston and shipping from China. I reported it to ebay and called and they said I am covered by PayPal's guarantee so I think I am ok. What do you think?

Here is the auction

http://www.ebay.com/itm/32218003207...RK:MEBIDX:IT
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 Posted 07/05/2016  08:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaxenro to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see now this should be in the US section moving it there
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 Posted 07/05/2016  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kkirby99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm assuming that you have to return it if you want your money back per the 14 day return policy. Where do you ship it back to? China?
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 Posted 07/05/2016  11:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaxenro to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I didn't get it yet. Wonder what shipping is to China and if that would eat up half my refund? The seller won't answer my emails I figure I will need to follow up with ebay when I get it.

I mean why would he bother to return the money? I'm wondering if he hacked an old unused ebay ID
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 Posted 07/05/2016  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For what it's worth, the coin in the photo looks genuine and the price was pretty good. Hopefully that is what you will receive; if not, you are protected. Not sure how the return shipping works out but if the item is not as described you should get reimbursed for all costs by PayPal.
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 Posted 07/05/2016  12:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaxenro to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The photo looked good to me to but I see they sold three of them so unless that photo is of all three what am I getting?

When what I do get finally shows up I will post some pics so we can all see

I know very little about counterfeiting low grade coins like this I mean $22 counting shipping isn't all that far off the melt price which is about $14 so I doubt they use silver if they did where would the profit be? Some kind of white metal with lead mixed in to make it weight correctly? Or don't they bother with the weight? This should weight pretty close to 412 grains
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 Posted 07/13/2016  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaxenro to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So my "Chinese Morgan" comes in tomorrow (wonder if it is any connection to Chinese Gordon he was contemporary) so I can post some pics.

ebay pulled the listing yesterday even though it was closed whatever that means. I am assuming one of the other suckers (oops buyers) got his coin. Anyway they said on the phone they would reimburse me the return shipping cost and the purchase price
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 Posted 07/14/2016  1:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaxenro to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here it is - it is a fake and why?


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Quote:
it is a fake and why?


What is the thickness compared to an authentic Morgan dollar? (this assumes the weight is correct)

Also, I believe it is against the law to ship/mail counterfeit currency.
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 Posted 07/14/2016  2:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaxenro to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thicker first thing I noticed

And I doubt that any government agency will try to track this back to China and prosecute
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 Posted 07/14/2016  3:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You should not be required to break the law to be reimbursed.
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 Posted 07/14/2016  4:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaxenro to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good point I will mention that to ebay they are requiring I ship it back - I wonder if returns count?
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 Posted 07/19/2016  09:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaxenro to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So ebay is going to process my refund

Do I chisel a big Fake in this coin? Not sure what to do with it. Anyone collect fakes to use as reference?
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 Posted 07/19/2016  09:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can do that. So ebay isn't making you return it?
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Quote:
Anyone collect fakes to use as reference?

http://www.theblackcabinet.org/
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 Posted 07/19/2016  2:40 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There should be no need to return it. And regardless, you don't have to pay for return shipping.
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