14th Century: Contemporary Fake/Counterfeit Ducat

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austrokiwi Pillar of the Community 2087 Posts	Posted 07/13/2016 12:28 am I have a soft spot for contemporary counterfeits. I picked this up recently. The seller claimed it was part of a hoard of 200 fakes found in Monza in 1849 I know most of those were destroyed. I purchased it ignoring the alleged provenance as there was no supporting documentation. It was a fun coin to photograph. The Patina is wonderful. The seller claimed its a counterfeit ducat of Marco Corner(1365 -1368). It doesn't read that way to me, can anyone confirm? Edited by austrokiwi 07/13/2016 01:10 am Report this Post to the Staff

Spence Moderator United States 34428 Posts	Posted 07/14/2016 8:20 pm Quote: The Patina is wonderful I agree. Here are the specs on a ducat of Marco Cornaro from Biaggi: Gold, 20 mm diameter, and 3.54 g mass Maybe start with those three parameters. In the pics, your coin looks more like copper to me, but perhaps it is the lighting. What are the size and mass for your coin? If everything matches out, then here are the obv and rev inscriptions: MARC'. CORNARO DUX SMVENETI SIT.T.XPE.DAT.Q TV REGIS.ISTE DVCAT' I can't match up very much of these inscriptions with the letters on your coin. Your seems to have way more of the letter A and some of the characters might not even be letters. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
Kamnaskires Pillar of the Community United States 7066 Posts	Posted 07/14/2016 8:55 pm Quote: ...some of the characters might not even be letters Resembles the type of letters on the imitatives associated with the Maona Society from the island of Chios, like in the link: https://www.cNGCoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=312543 But of course even the imitations were gold, whereas this doesn't appear to be... Report this Post to the Staff
Pertinax Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2135 Posts	Posted 07/15/2016 05:43 am It's not gold but it might have had a thin gilding once. I wonder whether it could be a reckoning counter imitating the legitimate issue. Report this Post to the Staff
austrokiwi Pillar of the Community 2087 Posts	Posted 07/15/2016 09:54 am It is copper, and might have once been gilded. There is no sign of any gilding on it at all. It is not listed in Ives and Grierson ( The Venetian Ducat and its imitations). I hadn't thought of the token possibility. Report this Post to the Staff
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14th Century: Contemporary Counterfeit Ducat