What Is The Denomination: Bella III

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austrokiwi Pillar of the Community 2087 Posts	Posted 07/13/2016 1:58 pm I have just branched out to 12th and 13th Century coins. My aim is to develop a small collection that surveys the Grosso. This coin of Bella III has design features of an Aspron Trachy, the design of which was imitated on the Venetian Grosso Matapan. One thing I am stuck on... what is the denomination is it a follis? Gj-zQ2BJXhM Edited by austrokiwi 07/13/2016 2:02 pm Report this Post to the Staff

echizento Moderator United States 23731 Posts	Posted 07/13/2016 2:16 pm I've seen this type coin of Bela III called a Folles and a Dinar. Report this Post to the Staff
austrokiwi Pillar of the Community 2087 Posts	Posted 07/13/2016 3:00 pm Quote: I've seen this type coin of Bela III called a Folles and a Dinar. Thanks. Was my spelling wrong( Follis)? I noticed the same thing. I did a bit of hunting and was developing the view that perhaps no one knows what the denomination was/is Report this Post to the Staff
echizento Moderator United States 23731 Posts	Posted 07/13/2016 3:00 pm Here is an excellent PDF on the medieval coins of Hungary. https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/v...f-numismatas Report this Post to the Staff
Kamnaskires Pillar of the Community United States 7066 Posts	Posted 07/13/2016 3:08 pm I was just about to post another link to the book (see below). Page 33 lists the type, but with no designation for the denomination...it is simply listed as a "copper coin." http://www.numismatas.com/Forum/Pdf...0Hungary.pdf Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34428 Posts	Posted 07/13/2016 8:23 pm Quote: I have just branched out to 12th and 13th Century coins. I'm very glad to have more company! As you likely know, your coin can be attributed as Huszar 72. In his book, he calls it "Kupfermuenze" or simply copper coin. In the new Frynas book, it is #H.15.24 and he also uses the denomination "Copper coin". I don't agree to calling it a denar/dinar as those denominations were struck in silver at this time. I don't know whether this copper coin held the same purchasing power as a denar, but my feeling is that it isn't a denar. I labelled my coin of this variety as a follis. I do note that one of the CCF luminaries posted his similar coin here: https://goccf.com/t/177616 and called it an AE26, perhaps due to his deep experience with ancient Roman coins. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
echizento Moderator United States 23731 Posts	Posted 07/13/2016 8:35 pm At the time I also really didn't know what to call it and at this point still don't. Report this Post to the Staff
january1may Pillar of the Community Russian Federation 5177 Posts	Posted 07/13/2016 9:42 pm Tried to search for it, also found the versions "rezpenz" (apparently Hungarian for "copper coin") and "peniaz" (presumably related to "penny"). Might as well call it AE26, in the Greek tradition - it's as good a description as any. Report this Post to the Staff
austrokiwi Pillar of the Community 2087 Posts	Posted 07/14/2016 01:34 am Thanks all. From your comments I guess I wasn't too far off the mark assuming that know one really knows,accurately, what denomination it is. I appreciate the links to the reference on Hungarian Coinage. Report this Post to the Staff
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