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1909 NFLD One Cent MS? - Br Or R/B

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Here's one that I have trouble with, the BR or R/B. I have seen coins graded by ICCS that were almost all red come back as R/B and other TPGs grading them Red. Just trying to figure out if this would come back a BR or R/B based on people's experiences with the TPG's as well as their own opinions of which it would be. Feel free to take a jab at it's Grade as well. Thanks.

1909-NFLD-One-Cent-MS?---Br-Or-R/B

1909-NFLD-One-Cent-MS?---Br-Or-R/B
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I'm very familiar with PCGS's attribution as I've submitted many large cents. I believe this would get a PCGS 65 BN, there is no mint luste (or red) showing. Although there are darker and lighter sections clearly visible these are not the original surface color or lustre.
PCGS Is the most strict on red, ICCS is slightly more lenient.

As for ICCS grade I'd guess MS-63 BN. ICCS only goes up to 63 in brown, and 64 if it is a "lustrous brown"
Possible ICCS RB too
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Thanks, I've been considering other TPG's such as PCGS and discussed the different grading based on color change not long ago and I feel it's unfortunate and does not do coins justice. I'll have to look into the cost with the CDN exchange rate being a whopping 25%. But there is also the advantage of a clear hard case that you can see much better through & the coins don't usually rotate.
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 Posted 07/14/2016  6:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
RB.
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all copper coins will turn brown when exposed to air, a RB coin 30 years ago will be brown today, unless it was sealed in an airtight.
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Then it needs to be sealed fast. This will be going along with others soon, probably to PCGS. Thanks for the feedback.
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Very nice coin. Nicer than mine and I must say I get a little jealous!
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