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1883 Proof Morgan

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 Posted 11/06/2005  10:57 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add smcc3573 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This is coin being sold from someone I have dealt with before, its a proof morgan, looks like a MS65 to me with a shot at a 66, although I see a couple of rim dings which wont help its cause
I am swaying towards buying this coin as morgans are in high demand right now and proofs like this are like Hens teeth, all opinions are welcome



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 Posted 11/06/2005  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I dunno, smcc. From the pics, I'd say together with the rim dings and Liberty's face which has too much bag noise, it'll be hard to make 65. MS-63, maybe. It's always hard to tell from an image which may exaggerate marks or even make it look like there's marks where there isn't any. Nice Morgan proof, however and as you said, they're scarce and the price shows it.

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 Posted 11/07/2005  5:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stephen420 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi.
When you say rim dings, are you talking about something on the obverse rim between the U and N in UNUM, where there seems to be some irregularity, and on the rim between the O and F of OF (America)? The one on the reverse is noticable but not really distracting, and the one (if it is one) on the obverse is hard to spot.

I also think it's a pretty coin. I don't collect Morgans (yet), but one of the two I have (a legacy from my maternal grandfather's hoard) is the coin I look at the most. It's an MS64 and the toning and the wealth of detail just holds my attention, and every time I look at it, its toning reveals more of its secrets.

Anyway, the reverse mirrors look terrific. The obverse is too dark to tell, but I'm not persuaded that what appear to be bag marks on Miss L's cheek are marks at all. Plus, to betray my ignorance, I'm surprised to learn that proof coins are ever stored in bags. (?)

If the mirrors on the front are as good as the mirrors on the back, and depending on how much cheek chatter (thanks to Susan for that word!!), it might make PR65. Otherwise PR64 seems a strong possibility to me. I don't find the rim dings terribly distracting. I'm taking an ANA correspondence course and I haven't gotten to proofs yet - I'm on the Grading U.S. Mint State Coins level, so there are many many things I don't know - especially about proof coins) Anyway, it's a beautiful coin.
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11/07/2005 6:00 pm
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 Posted 11/07/2005  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Stephen, allowing for imagery distortion which may exaggerate almost invisible bag (or stacking, storage) marks or make marks appear where there aren't any, I think PCGS's strict grading on Morgans would keep this in the 63 range; in my experience, if there is any in-house dissention during a Morgan's grading, they'll go for the lower grade.

I can't see any marks on the obverse rim, but the reverse has two that I see which would IMHO keep the grade down. Nevertheless, so few 1882 proofs were minted (1,039 per Bowers) that ANY may be treasured.

However, if it were submitted to SGS, CCGS, NTC or any of the other non-tiered TPGs, it would easily make PF-70 thus making the grade a moot question.

Fred

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 Posted 11/07/2005  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stephen420 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Fred. On the portrait on the cheek, there appears to be a large, blunt mark, looks like a whishbone. I've seen that kind of thing a lot on pictures of Morgans. It looks like her cheek is pushed against a glass window. Do you know what I'm talking about, and do you know what caused that and what to call it? I don't handle enough Morgans, but they seem to be the standard in learning about grading from books and videos.
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