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What Are These Marks? 1827 Bust Half

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 Posted 07/25/2016  8:11 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add syeb to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have another thread about the fingerprint but I am wondering about the strange raised parallel lines under the ear. In trying to identify the Overton variety I did find a picture of the an O-127 which had these lines. But the T-I alignment on the this looks a little off. The 'I' on this one looks too much to the right of the T for a O-127. Can anyone help with the attribution? And if this is not an indication of an O variety, is it some type of die issue?

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 Posted 07/25/2016  8:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add syeb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Update: I did a little more checking and I don't think it an O-127 although the O-127's do seem to have those unique markings consistently. The "E" to the "D" in United doesn't seem to match those. So I guess my question now is = what makes those marks?
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 Posted 07/25/2016  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Die Clash lines from the reverse shield.
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 Posted 07/25/2016  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add syeb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I completely missed that. Thanks.
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 Posted 07/26/2016  4:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good call, Exoguy.
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 Posted 07/26/2016  4:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add syeb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And all this time I thought it was just a hip Lady Liberty with really funky earrings.

I'll be working on the variety attribution now. There are almost 50 to choose from in 1827.
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 Posted 07/28/2016  12:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is an overlay for this year:
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While the evidence does seem compelling, this totally destroys my understanding of clashed dies. The center of the bust being one of the higher points on the coin and the shield being one of the high parts of the reverse. The high part of the coin = the most incused part of the die. It makes no sense to me how the dies could have met (clashed) at that point and created that kind of outcome. How could there be no other noticable clashes on the fields of wither side where they correspond to the devices of the other. How are there no wings in the fields of the obverse?
Anybody (especially the knowledgeable Coop) have an suggestions?
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That particular area of Liberty's face is actually pretty low compared to the rest of the obverse. The low parts of the shield are the high parts of the die, so that when the two clashed, the high parts of the reverse die imprinted themselves into the relatively high parts of the obverse die.
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On some Lincoln cents the ear areas are sometimes touched by die polishing:
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So I agree with TypeCoin on this. Sometimes area get missed for clash marks if they don't notice them. Probably why all the other clash lines are missing and this one was over looked. That is the only reason I can see for the marks on that area of your coin.
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