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Jouan Jouan And Indian Western Satraps Coins.

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Got these today. Don't know much about them, but I have started the research. Just wanted to show them off a little bit. The Western Satraps coin is the first non-Roman silver that I have.

Thank you for your time.



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 Posted 07/30/2016  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The first one is a Kushan coin of Kanishka I.
The pother is a is Drachm from the Western Satraps. I'll see if I can ID it for you.

This will help with the identification of them, Just search throug the galleries: http://coinindia.com/
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 Posted 07/30/2016  10:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great additions, turtlefoot.

I believe the first is a Huvishka type with elephant obverse, Ron. If turtlefoot is correct that it's Jouan Jouan - who were among the many groups that imitated Kushan coinage - then it's certainly an imitative of a Huvishka type. From what I've read the Jouan Jouan copied Huvishka's coins (exclusively) during their occupation of parts of the Kushan Empire in the late 2nd and early 3rd centuries.

One of the challenges of collecting Kushans is the number of contemporaneous imitations. Knowing with certainty if a coin is genuinely Kushan or a local imitation (and there were tons of these, apparently), is sometimes impossible, it seems.
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I was told Jouan Jouan by the person that I purchased it from. It could easily be Huvishka. I am really liking these "non classical" ancients. They are getting higher and higher on my list of favorites.
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...really liking these "non classical" ancients.


Amen.
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Is the Western Satraps possibly Rudrasena IV as mahakshatrapa?
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...possibly Rudrasena IV as mahakshatrapa?


I could be wrong, but it seems to me that the reverse legend, as well as the crescents and pellets on the reverse, come close to matching the last coin of Bhartrdaman's at: http://coinindia.com/galleries-bhartrdaman.html

A comparison here:

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 Posted 07/31/2016  12:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add turtlefoot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am sure that is it! Thank You!
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The Tamgas really looks like Kanishka I IMO.

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The tamgas of Huvishka has a longer bar extending down from the top section with a cross line in the center. I'm not seeing that in the tamgas of this coin, though granted these old eyes could be wrong. I must admit the detail is cruder than what I would expect to see on a Kanishka I coin.
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Great info. Love that chart. I am in hopes that I can find more of this type of coin soon.

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I've been looking at this tamgas and I can see what looks like bulge in the center line, along with the crude design of the coin I now believe Bob is right. It is Huvishka. Sorry Bob and thanks for making me double check myself.



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Thank you for the information. Is it possible that it is a crude example (or Jouan Jouan Imitative) of this Huvishka coin?

Thank You



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 Posted 08/01/2016  6:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add turtlefoot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Never mind. The arm over the tamgas is in the wrong position.
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