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Hi,
Am trying to find out the difference between "Red" and "Red and Brown" grading for Canadian pennies and what is the difference as far as "coin value" goes. I haven't been able to find any reference to this so if one of you can enlighten me I'd appreciate it! :)
Thanks.
Dottir.
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Dottir, what years are you talking about? Let me know, and I'll be happy to look them up.  Full "Red" can carry a large premium, at least for pennies in the 40s and earlier. I also find "Red" a difficult term, but one standard I use are untarnished cents from recent PL sets: those are full "Red" in my book, and any penny which has any darker tones combined with some bright reflective aspects would be RB. Of course, every grading firm defines these terms differently, which leads to a bit of confusion. Edited by KurtS
03/02/2008 11:16 pm
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I've seen pennies for sale with those gradings snd was wondering how to tell the difference. Geez. Wish I could take and show a pic of my 1941 penny. By the way explain your grading, I would say my penny is mostly RED (much closer to new looking) then with very little brown/coppery shine ... coppery shine is showing at the rim-edge but not at all on the flat part of the rim. Very few bits of shine on the images, either side, and then not very coppery/red at all. Rim edges quite red/coppery though ;)
Reverse images stronger than obverse, but the KG mint mark on the reverse is weak, while the obverse less strong (not due to wear)
There is a nick/line like an edge rim, just one straight through the edge rim but not onto the flat side at all, right by the "R" in George.
Very confusing as I would call coppery colour red and the matte colour brown though!!
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I especially like the pennies from 41-45  I have a few in RB MS60. These are quite valuable in the MS Red grades. Judging from your description, I'd conservatively say your coin is RB (Red Brown), because you described some browner tones on the coin. That's just my hunch, and I could be totally wrong since I haven't seen your coin. Personally, I tend to stay away from full red grades because the pricing is so volatile and a copper coin can change over time. For instance, Charlton's lists a full-red MS65 1941 1c at $500, but the MS62 RB is only $25. It's quite a range in value, which might explain why I've caught dealers cleaning RB coins to appear full red (!). Edited by KurtS
03/03/2008 03:00 am
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I'd like to see clear pics of the RED and the RED/BROWN cents together to see if I can see the difference :D Possible? even if you can link me to a site with pics?
Again ... when I think of red in terms of color/pennies, I think of the bright red copper like todays pennies look and have never associated red with old pennies. I associate old pennies as brown (very deep-brownish-red then :D ) If I could see comparisons that would help me.
I like that price for a perfect red :D Must be pretty rare to find that kind of preservation in pocket change though!!
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PS: I love the old pennies too and any time I get one in change I'm delighted. So unusual to find any before the 70's these days!
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I'd like to see clear pics of the RED and the RED/BROWN cents together to see if I can see the difference :D Possible?
Well...I find it pretty difficult to photograph these differences. Copper coins are the trickiest to photograph. That's why I suggested comparing a recent date set (70s-80s), or--you could check ebay for ICCS graded pennies in "RED" because I think their grading is a good standard. Here is one example. Still, photos don't show everything...and a "red" coin can easily look RB in a pic. quote:
PS: I love the old pennies too and any time I get one in change I'm delighted.
Yes: I especially like the older Canadian 40-50s pennies in RB and "red"...the color is very distinctive vs. our Lincoln cents here. Edited by KurtS
03/03/2008 2:15 pm
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I've been browsing today and I think that my 41 penny is more "Brown" side. I say that because it's quite dark but I don't notice any dings and scratches on it except for the edges of rims show reddish shiney and some wear.
I also have a 46/47/61/62/64 and all look more reddish than my 41 ...
Regards the 40's and 50's. Me too. I keep watching for 1954 Canadian pennies/coins in my change :D My year! :D
I did score a US 1954 S nickel from a bank roll so am happy to have my one and only '54 possession and it's a start even though not Canadian (being Canadian I want Candadian ... I'm sure you'll understand :D)
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If you have any '49 pennies, be sure to check closely for the rare variety. There's also a very valuable '55 penny. I get Canadian pennies quite often in change here, but not quite like when I lived just S. of BC. There we used both US/CA money interchangeably--so I like both equally well. |
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No 1949's as yet, nor 55's. Would you be referring to the shoulder/no shoulder fold 50's pennies that I've been reading about? (I'm slowly learning about the different coins that might have value to watch for in change now)- I'll have to find out more about that 49 penny! US coins in change is pretty common here. Sounds like a '43 US penny could be a big find :D But that's US oins topic I guess ... I do know that I wish I had a living great granny with a penny jar! :D |
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Dottir- Yes, there's some scarce '49 pennies, and the '55 NSF is quite valuable (I don't have that one yet). I have a bunch of nice 49 "off-denticle" pennies that I'll post for sale/trade later today. Snaz...I remember that! Well done, that's a great price imo  I just picked up a '42 in RB; I'll post pics later. Edited by KurtS
03/04/2008 7:54 pm
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This place is great! Have been learning for sure. I'll be watching out for a '49 A to denticle, but as I said, it's pretty rare to get anything older than the 70's in change. I've spotted some ebay offerings of rolls of '49 pennies and can't help but wonder if there are some in them :D In fact watching ebay to look at images of coins and seeing what kind of biddings are going on (and not) I'm wishing to play too ... oh dear. I do like to collect things and can see how addictive online buying (and selling) could become. Regards the shoulder/no shoulder folds, I've been reading that the SF refer to 1953/54/55, all three years of the pennies. I think I've seen mention of shoulder folds/not for other denomination coins too, but can't recall what I read now :( Oh, I may have an older scanner given to me in a week or two but don't know if it can do good scans. Will keep you posted. Dottir. |
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Hi again, I'll guess those '49 rolls are completely searched--even if they promise they're not. Here's an example of an RB penny of mine:   |
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Bummer. My 1941 penny is brown. Can I restore it do you think? :D Make it red? :D
Regards coins on online auctions and such, it looks to me like a lot of people just offer up bits of coins they've had tucked away and hope to sell and get a little money for them. They either don't know coins and values, or don't care, just want to pass 'em on, no biggy to them. Thoe I'd enjoy buying up and hunting through them, like hitting up a yard sale or 2nd hand store, or an auction with a box and you don't know whats in it, could be crap, could be a treasure. I love the mystery and "found it" aspect of the hunt! Those piles of pennies and loose change in little mountains on a dirty floor make me want the coins! (Mind you, I'd also love a collection of valuable coins too. Something to leave to my kids.gtandkids when the prednisone kills me, sort of thing :D
Those ads with bags and pounds, rolls and rolls, of coins yada yada yada sound too good to be true. Are they? :D
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Oh well...but your '41 is best brown, cleaning it to red would decrease the value. Some dealers try to polish the 1941-45 cents to look "red" to sell for $$$; I actually caught one trying to pass those off on me. It's obvious under a loupe.  I think if you want to search through boxes of coins, the best way might be at a flea market or someone who just saved them over the years. Anywhere they might not be searched, which usually excludes the dealers--and especially those "unsearched" lots on ebay. They're always searched, lol. |
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