Are These Full Steps On This 1945-D 5c Jefferson War Nickel [ms68 NNC]

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thekino New Member United States 7 Posts	Posted 08/08/2016 7:36 pm I have a Jefferson nickel that was graded MS68 with full steps. I've attached some photographs, but I wanted some outside opinions on whether this appears to be "full steps" and/or a 68 grade. Gallery: http://jalbum.net/en/browse/user/album/1740928 Front Steps Zoom on Back * Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. * Edited by thekino 08/08/2016 8:10 pm Report this Post to the Staff

kanga Pillar of the Community United States 5825 Posts	Posted 08/08/2016 8:32 pm Need a better picture to tell for sure. Need to see the whole set of steps in focus AND up closer. Report this Post to the Staff
T-BOP Rest in Peace United States 18456 Posts	Posted 08/08/2016 9:14 pm Need to see larger photos of obverse and entire reverse of coin . looks like it could be FS ,but the MS-68 sounds like one of NNC's over grade . Report this Post to the Staff
BH1964 Bedrock of the Community United States 10982 Posts	Posted 08/08/2016 11:23 pm Appears to be FS. The 68 grade? Not. ANA #R3154474 Report this Post to the Staff
IndianGoldEagle Bedrock of the Community United States 36782 Posts	Posted 08/09/2016 10:29 am Looks either MS-65FS or MS-66FS, hard to tell from the small photos. Report this Post to the Staff
westernsky Pillar of the Community United States 7621 Posts	Posted 08/09/2016 10:48 am WELCOME to the community! Looks full steps to me based on what I can see. The NNC 68 grade is wishful thinking. It might go 65 in a legitimate slab (NGC, PCGS OR ANACS) on a good day. NNC is not well thought of in the real world coin market. Report this Post to the Staff
thekino New Member United States 7 Posts	Posted 08/09/2016 3:51 pm Quote: westernsky Thank you. It's taken me a while to find you guys, as I've been looking for a legitimate and knowledgeable coin community for some time. Quote: IndianGoldEagle, BH1964, T-BOP, kanga I figured the grade was optimistic, but the steps are pretty clean and the coin is very good condition. How do I take a photograph of a coin that comes out well? I have a quality camera. Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 08/09/2016 4:37 pm Try the Photography forum; you will learn a lot from past threads. to the CCF! Report this Post to the Staff
thekino New Member United States 7 Posts	Posted 08/09/2016 10:27 pm Thanks CoinFrog: it looks like I need a lot more equipment, but the tips on focal length and lighting were helpful. I appreciate the feedback, it's very interesting. May I ask, if there are full steps that should mean the strike is pretty solid, right? Then what are the imperfections that you guys have identified that you think keeps it ~MS66? Report this Post to the Staff
T-BOP Rest in Peace United States 18456 Posts	Posted 08/09/2016 10:42 pm < thekino > ,you have a beautiful coin there . It's not that we are saying there are imperfections keeping the grade of 68 down , but an MS-68 Jeff graded by NNC is hard to digest . Not saying it can never happen , just, we all have that same taste in our mouth about it . Report this Post to the Staff
BH1964 Bedrock of the Community United States 10982 Posts	Posted 08/09/2016 10:59 pm Quote: May I ask, if there are full steps that should mean the strike is pretty solid, right? Then what are the imperfections that you guys have identified that you think keeps it ~MS66? The strike on the steps looks pretty solid and off good dies. That doesn't mean the whole coin is well struck although yours does look well struck overall. The color, or in this case discoloration, hurt it. There is some blotchiness to the color which would, by itself, likely knock it down to 66 or 67. There are a few stray contact marks, primarily on the reverse, that would drop it further with the overall grade looking like a MS65FS to me. It's a nice coin for sure and probably worth ~$15 retail. Here's a PCGS MS67FS for reference. ANA #R3154474 Report this Post to the Staff
thekino New Member United States 7 Posts	Posted 08/09/2016 11:14 pm Thanks you guys. The financial value isn't as important to me, but I was getting excited about the prospect of it being a 68 because I see that PCGS has only 2 other in their graded population. I'm probably going to get it regraded, because I can't take not knowing, but I've really enjoy this coin. It's a lot of fun to see the differentiation that make a 66 vs a 67. I really like this coin also, I think the reverse is really interesting because there are so many parts of Jefferson's Monticello that were incorporated into the coin. From the window frames, the stairs, to the archways above the doors. And there aren't a lot of people who I can talk to about this, because it is such a specialized knowledge and a particular coin. Report this Post to the Staff
BStrauss3 Pillar of the Community United States 4593 Posts	Posted 08/10/2016 09:31 am If you bought it thinking NNC and PCGS grading is in any way comparable, sorry, but that was a mistake. Understand that NNC is not a reputable grading company. It's a guy in Florida who buys coins - including details graded coins in reputable slabs - and reslabs them in his own fantasy land with clean grades several points higher than others assign. There have been threads posted here and other boards showing coins he bought on ebay in details slabs and then advertised in his own clean slabs. That is not to say there aren't -some- nice coins in an NNC slab. But use a huge grain of salt. -----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/ Report this Post to the Staff
BH1964 Bedrock of the Community United States 10982 Posts	Posted 08/10/2016 11:51 am Quote: ...but I was getting excited about the prospect of it being a 68 because I see that PCGS has only 2 other in their graded population. I'm probably going to get it regraded, because I can't take not knowing, but I've really enjoy this coin. Not trying to be a killjoy here, because we've all been new to collecting and excited about a particular purchase, but there's no way your coin will grade 67 at PCGS. Not a chance. It's a longshot to get a 66 and if it did grade MS66FS it's still valued around ~$50 retail which is what it will cost to get it graded. I'd save the money and not submit it for grading unless you've got a lot of cash to throw around and don't mind squandering it. And by the way, welcome to CCF! ANA #R3154474 Report this Post to the Staff
thekino New Member United States 7 Posts	Posted 08/10/2016 2:54 pm Interesting. I knew NNC was bad, but I didn't know THAT was the perception. Okay, then I'm comfortable knowing it's about an MS63-65 then. Thanks for your help you guys! I know I'm a huge noob, but there's so much information out there. It was one thing learning about strikes and dyes and different mints!... now to know the grading differences feels like learning Arabic. It was especially difficult trying to figure out how to even get PCGS to grade a coin, much less the differences between PCGS< NGC, and NNC. Report this Post to the Staff
T-BOP Rest in Peace United States 18456 Posts	Posted 08/10/2016 3:14 pm Don't feel bad , some of us old timers still learn something everyday just by sticking with CCF . Report this Post to the Staff
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