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Quote: Those are some really neat coins though!  And I can't help pointing out the common symbol of the double-barred cross in both Lorraine and Hungary. I think this cross arrived in Lorraine through the Angevin dukes in the 1400 (this dynasty had previously ruled in Hungary).
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Yes, the double-barred cross (or Patriarchal cross) is the symbol of state power of Hungary around from early 1300's. When René of Anjou (1409-1480) inherited Duchy of Lorraine, he thought he was the king in Hungary as well (but not), and he started using the white double-barred cross in Duchy of Lorraine. A few centuries later, it was referred to in the Western heraldic literature as the Lorraine cross.
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Quote: but denomination of 19.18 EUR or 19 Euros and 18 cents looks pretty odd for me. It certainly does.   to the Community!
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A couple that seem worthy of posting... 1/83.5 and 1/250.5 From the mid-1760s to the end of statehood in 1795, the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth began denominating their coins is both the local currency (zloty, with 1 zl = 4 groschen), and the Cologne mark. Initially this resulted in nice round numbers (1 zloty = 4 groschen = 1/80 mark), but with some debasement in the 1780s, it became more messy. Here is a 1787 1 zloty silver coin, with the denominations 4 Gr and 1/83.5 Mark on the reverse:   Here is a 1790 10 grosze billon coin also denominated as 1/250.5 Mark on the reverse: 
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Quote: A couple that seem worthy of posting... 1/83.5 and 1/250.5 Nice examples! 
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I think the original organizer of this thread had decided to count all those "X one fine mark" comments as weights rather than denominations - the way some 19th and 20th century coins would mention that they contained X grams (or other units, e.g. in Russia) of pure silver.
They're certainly neat, though!
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@j1m, thanks for pointing that out ... I got lazy and missed that comment from WAY upthread. 13 is already on the list, with a 13 nasri coin of Tunisia. I just discovered that a coin in my collection I had labellled as a grossetto of Papal States - Ferrara is equivalent to 13 quattrini, which is the denomination actually on the coin (in the exergue obv): 
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Very neat! I think I found this type and its double version (26 quattrini) while looking through an Italian coin database a few months ago, but forgot to mention it in the thread.
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Indeed! sometime in the 4 years between these posts, I picked up that 26 quattrini coin:  Also ... Not a new figure for the list, but an interesting one in how it's spelled out. A 32 quattrini coin of the Duchy of Urbino, spelled out as "doi sedicine" or "two sixteens." https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=13082284 (yes, there was also a one "sedicine" coin). In the currency system of the time (circa 1600 as the coin is undated, but was struck between 1584 and 1624) I believe the equivalents were 1 scudo = 100 baiocchi = 500 quattrini, so it would have been the equivalent of 6.4 cents (baiocchi). There was a similarly sized 30 quattrini coin, so possibly the 32 quattrini followed the 30 (i.e. devaluation/inflation).
Edited by tdziemia 02/20/2025 06:28 am
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I don't have the time at the moment to read all 14 pages, so not sure if you have the - August 1923 German Notgeld (Hamburg) ˝ Million Mark on the list. Edit to add: Yep, it is on the list as 500,000 Million Marks.. 
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Quote: Indeed! sometime in the 4 years between these posts, I picked up that 26 quattrini coin: Fantastic! 
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Looking back on this thread, I was shocked to see that the last "roundup" of denominations was in 2017! Given how comprehensive that list was, it's hard to imagine that there could be more, but ... I recently found a denomination of a coin from the Duchy of Urbino which is "due terzi da sedicine" which translates to two thirds of sixteen, or 10 2/3. https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2776670 Now ... you can ask "two thirds of sixteen WHAT?" and the plot thickens further, because the answer is ... (drum roll ... ) quattrini!! So the face value on the coin was 10 2/3 quattrini So, folks who know early Italian coinage think "Ah, wasn't a quattrino equal to 4 denari? So that would also make this coin a 42 2/3 denari coin which is also missing from the list? (kind of like saying a "quarter" is actually 25 cents). But wait! There's more! By the 1500s in central Italy where this coin was made, the currency system was no longer denaro-soldo-lira, but was migrating to quattrino-baiocco-scudo. There is evidence that in Urbino at this time there were 18 sedicine (or 288 quattrini) to a scudo. when this coin was made, so that would make it a 1/27 scudo. Take your pick (10 2/3 or 1/27) ... it gets added to the list one way or the other.
Edited by tdziemia 02/23/2025 9:26 pm
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Quote: Looking back on this thread, I was shocked to see that the last "roundup" of denominations was in 2017! DL20K hadn't been seen on CCF since 2017 as far as I can tell. I wonder what happened to them.
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