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1995 P Quarter With A Die Clash And Possibly Class 8 DDR

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God has Blessed me with a very nice (MS 65 in my opinion) EDS quarter. It has a nice strong clash of Washington's eye on the reverse above the arrowheads. However, when looking over the Eagle's feathers for details on determining the grade, I noticed something interesting. Between the Eagle's two feet appears to be an extra feather. It is stronger than the known eye clash, so I do not believe it to be another clash. It appears raised on the die and not "dropped" on the die like a die chip appears. There are no scratches or dings in that area that would make that area appear raised. Under close magnification, there does not appear to be over-polishing in that area to make it raised either.

I believe it could be an extra leg feather appearing as a Class 8 doubled die. I circled the leg feathers in the pictures to show how it has a similar shape and width to them.

Yellow arrows relate to the die clash.

Purple arrows relate to the doubled die.

I welcome and appreciate your feedback.

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 Posted 08/23/2016  12:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sonchild to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice find! I don't have much experience, so I can't tell you yet whether or not that's a doubled die/ mint damage. Someone else may tell you. Good luck with future finds!
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08/23/2016 12:16 am
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Thank you sonchild. :)
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This picture is here to show how much stronger the doubled area is than the clash. It also removes doubt of over-polishing because more detail can be seen in this lighting. The bottom three scalloped feathers before the arrow/perch are visible where the doubled area is. I feel if this were an over-polished die, some or all of those feathers would be gone. Thank you for looking.

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Just a question: You do realize what part of the die is affected on die polishing? Clashes happen on the fields. Die polishing is on the fields. Why? Because the die is a negative of the coin it creates. What is raised on the coin, is just the opposite on the die. It is incuse. So when you mention die polishing on the feathers, this doesn't happen. Die polishing is only on the flat surface of the coin the fields. Die clashing only damages the flat fields on the die. The outside edge of the die. The devices are deeper into the die. so they never touch. So the outlines of the devices are the only points that make contact and can be altered during a clash. So when I show the overlays usually just the outlines are affected. But there are times when the area around the ear/neck area where there can be clash marks because the area is close to the field height. (or close to the surface on the die, The bays on the memorial are part of the fields because they are the surface of the face of the die. The eye on the Washington nickel are part of the area that is close to the surface on the die. In most coins where see heavy die polishing are very close to the field/surface of the die. Thus we see roof lines missing, eyes and notes areas missing from over polishing. So I wanted you to realize that the feathers are not part of the field and don't get altered when a die is polished. Hope this helps.
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Thanks for the detailed explanation Coop. I would have thought those feathers would be gone from polishing, but I learned why they can still be there from your explanation. We know the eye is a die clash. In your opinion is the mark between the Eagle's fee t a doubled die of the leg feathers or overpolishing. I wasn't sure if your explanationwas specifically referring to that mark. I can see it DDR or overpolishing, but the shape sure looks like a leg feather. Thanks for your insight. :)
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That mark maybe another clash mark. It couldn't be a DDR. What would it have copied to look like that from the hub? Here is an over lay of the reverse:
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Thanks for the overlay. It looks like a hair strand could clasg there. As for what could be possibly doubled, in the 5th picture of the op, I circled the bottom left side of the Eagle's right foot. There are some feathers in that circle pointing SW at the tips. I was thinking that the short feather at the top in the purple circle may be dobled between the Eagle's feet. I know it is far away, but I think it could be something like the 1943 P double eye nickel. What do you think of that theory?
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