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Canada
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That is ridiculous. Cert #20292722 if you want to see PCGS close up pictures. It's one of largest grading mistakes I've seen in awhile.
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Pillar of the Community
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Hardly disagree, this is yet another example of " We can't grade Canadian coins but we will take yer dough and put it in plastic". PCGS and NGC both are terrible when grading circulated coins of Victoria through George V.
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Edited by doubleeagle59
09/10/2016 10:37 am
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Canada
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Do you think it's maybe just a weak strike? I know that nickel series has generally weak obverse strikes, but this example might just be an extremely weak strike.. From the PCGS trueview pictures, the reverse is pretty nice. The obverse obviously shows a much rougher George V, but maybe it was more of a weak strike and not so much wear? Just my Two Cents |
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It could very well be a weak obv strike as you said they were extremely common. The reverse though confirms the poor grading, it has no evidence of a reverse weak strike with the 5 very strong and no grainyness. The general amount of marks in the field for the series is more then I would expect for even a VF-20 nevermind an EF.
Pacificoin is right, they really sometimes have trouble with circulated Canadian coins victoria through George V. When they get to high higher AU they same to get better from my experience, but I guess all TPGs make mistakes. I wonder if they would actually regrade this the same if resubmitted.
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Agree our TPGs are pretty awful at grading Canadian material.
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This topic comes up frequently. Although there are examples of over grading by US TPGs, there are many that cross grade at par to ICCS. I find some older PCGS/NGC holders are more likely to be over graded and less so on more recently. This is also more evident on lower grade coins. Be that ICCS grade creep or US TPGs getting better, it has changed over time. And many members on this forum (including me) would take PCGS graded copper over ICCS any day. The crown on this coin is F15 but the rest of the obverse looks VF20 which would indicate a softer strike. EF40 it is not (in this case).
Edited by TheCoinHunter
09/10/2016 5:36 pm
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Canada
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The coin was originally a weak strike, but the rim, wear on the reverse leaf tips and lack of lustre tells me that PCGS dropped the ball on this one.
Remember that all the grading companies make mistakes like this. Sometimes it is a typo on the certificate, sometimes it is the wrong coin in the slab (accidentally swapped labels with coins) and sometimes the graders just have a bad afternoon... It is an opinion and not one I like, and anyone who collects Canadian nickel 5c will not spend EF money on this coin... in the end, trust your own eyes in terms of grade and eye appeal.
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Just to comment on Coinhunter's remarks I would say OGH from PCGS are more accurately graded stuff then now. I definitely agree with the copper comment though, mainly because ICCS is loose with the colour assignments where as PCGS is extremely strict. Many Red ICCS mint state copper coins would get RB at best.
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Pillar of the Community
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With respect to copper, until recently you would never see an "off color" ICCS MS64 but you do see some beautiful lustrous brown MS65s designated "Brown" in PCGS holders. There is some debate if color should be used to penalize the grade or if a designation outside of grade is appropriate.
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Posted 09/10/2016 12:34 am
