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The Fate Of Transit Tokens In The 21st Century

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Food for thought:

"print is dead" was the proclamation with the advent of digital technologies. While the industry has certainly morphed over the past couple of generations, even Kindle failed to kill books and magazines and the like. The end of print doesn't seem to be "just around the corner" (to me, anyway).

Over the years, the numismatic circles have also heard the cries that minting might someday give way to a digital phenomenon as well, I assume (there are chicken-little's in every circle, I think)...

Here I present a couple articles regarding the humble transit token. Some powers that be would like to see them gone forever, but the shape of our society might just prevent that...

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...he-poor.html

https://www.wired.com/2016/09/winni...timey-token/
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Interesting. It sounds like the main argument for keeping tokens around is for use by the poor / marginalized, who may not have smart phones or the new technology required.
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main argument for keeping tokens around is for use by the poor / marginalized, who may not have smart phones or the new technology required.
With the free Obama smart phones that they get for free. The only people that would need them would be given the pass cards. The biggest draw for keeping tokens is the cost of changing over the equipment on lines that collect the fare on the ride.
The thing is there are so many minted and out there and will be out there when they stop using them. Just think about the tax tokens and the number that are still out there. Every bulk token lot buy I still get 20/35 tax tokens and turn of the century transit tokens. so collecting will go on for a while longer.
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Moscow's transit systems had switched to special electronic tickets instead of tokens since the late 1990s. For the last few years, they're actually chip-based tickets that don't even need to be directly inserted anywhere. (This is apparrently still well behind what American cities have.)

Saint-Petersburg had switched to the rather funny looking electronic tokens in the metro a few years ago (and their buses, IIRC, still used old-style paper tickets by 2012). Kiev's metro system had a wild variety of assorted tokens when I was there in 2013 (I brought about a dozen different ones home, and I'm sure there were plenty of others); not sure what they have today.

Mind you, if I ever end up having a transit in Toronto, I'd rather not have to pay $6 just to make one trip (or two) across the city legally. It's hard enough in Moscow already.
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Well, with the 'new and improved' system in Toronto you get to spend $6 (non-refundable, not usable as a fare either -- it's gone forever) simply on the plastic Presto card, which you then refill as needed or link to a credit card. Yes, our $3.25 cash fare is lame. The monthly Metropass is also priced to keep many of the poorer in our community (who need it most) from obtaining it. [especially this year, with sky-rocketing hydro (power) rates]. Still, with all it's issues, TTC beats the pants off the public transit I'm used to in the USA. Still, I'm happy that for many months of the year I can use my bike instead... TTC employees tend to be rude (at best) and treat you like you're lucky to be allowed to pay them for the 'services' they provide, and with rider-ship always growing faster than the fleet it's just getting more crowded as the years go by.
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