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i got this coin today and the cert # is right and all. it is definitely a real PCGS slab but it isn't anywhere on their slab history..is this some kind of transitional holder or something? here are the holders listed by PCGS http://www.PCGS.com/holders Feel free to call me Will.
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10/01/2016 6:23 pm
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thanks trout, it is appreciated but I already did the cert verification, my question is just regarding the slab itself as it appears nowhere on their slab history.
Feel free to call me Will.
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It looks very similar to the Version 3.0 as found in your link. They do state that the label dye blend was not stable and can be found in hues from blue to yellow. Hard to tell from your picture, but what color is the label?
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@88isgreat it isn't the 3.0, it has no raised edge and also has the 4 alignment pins which the 3.0 doesn't show.
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Looked at it again. My bad. Concentrated on the label. It is quite the mystery.
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Bedrock of the Community
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PM Condor101 for a definite answer but it looks like a generation removed from a rattler to me. i.e. A late rattler, early rattler within a "slab".
P.S. I think it's a 1.2 with a "later" label, kind of a 1.2.1.
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10/01/2016 8:47 pm
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Compare it to this one from my Morgan set:   The above slab is called "2.1" internally. Used in late 1989. Yours looks like a 2.1 label, same font and all, same hologram, perforated edge, same back green color, but the holder appears to be a 1.2-style holder... I'll defer to Conder on this one. Most unusual. Perhaps they had some old 1.2 style holders laying around that would fit your coin and didn't have any of the new style holders available, but they did have the new labels, so rather than wait on more of the new slabs to be ready, they stuck a new label in an old holder... Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Edited by paralyse
10/01/2016 9:03 pm
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thank you for all the help. I have emailed conder101 as well as PCGS..so this appears to be a one off?
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I have emailed conder101 as well as PCGS..so this appears to be a one off? I'll wait for conder101 but it likely is not unique; certainly doesn't appear common either. |
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The outer ring was broken at some point and removed.
After the counterfeit scandal, the 1st (temporary) change was adding a 2nd piece (the rectangular ring).
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also, the PCGS on the back of the slab in gold lettering is raised. Quote:
The outer ring was broken at some point and removed.
After the counterfeit scandal, the 1st (temporary) change was adding a 2nd piece (the rectangular ring). could you please explain a bit more? thanks  Feel free to call me Will.
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The outer ring was broken at some point and removed.
After the counterfeit scandal, the 1st (temporary) change was adding a 2nd piece (the rectangular ring). That makes perfect sense. It is a Gen 2 "slab within a slab" with the outer slab removed. |
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Cointerfeit PCGS slabs were found in the wild (Google for the articles).
While PCGS was developing the Gen2 holder they updated the label style, addded the gold foil letter and temporarily put a ring - a completely separate piece of pastic - that closely fit around the rattler slab. If you - very gently - slide a fingernail into the groove, it separates from the shell. On the Gen2 slab it's all part of the shell and there is no give.
If the ring is broken and discarded (and they are not that durable, especially to an edge drop) it gives you what looks like a Gen1/Gen2 transitional: with the new label but no ring.
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that's a great explanation! thank you so much everyone for the help and thank you so much BStrauss3 for the answer. I appreciate it so much  Feel free to call me Will.
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It was what I called PCGS 3.5 the fourth and last of the ratter type slabs with the separate plastic band around them. Die cut paper (no perferations) and a font style lake that used on the first of the two piece large size green label holders. In this case the outer plastic band has been broken off. That could happen deliberately, or from being dropped and landing on a corner (the band can shatter)
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10/03/2016 08:07 am
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