My First Elymais Help Needed To I.d.please

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Palouche Pillar of the Community Spain 2752 Posts	Posted 10/02/2016 4:22 pm Hi guys...Love these coins... Decided to branch out a little from my usual roman coins due to the recent posts of echizento and Bob L , and my love of history.So I picked up these three Elymais coins from ebay this week. Hope you like them any comments appreciated.. I've done quite a lot of research about this civilisation from....What seems a limited amount of information out there.But maybe I'm looking in the wrong place? I'll post the coins with the sellers attributions as I've got a couple of doubts/questions. Really appreciated if you can help...Thanks Here goes number 1... Assumed Unpublished and unlisted coin. Similar to: Persia, Elymais, Southwest Iran Period of direct Parthian administration Second indeterminate king (de Morgan's Prince 'A') (ca. A.D. 210?) Unit: AE Drachm, Mint/ unknown, undated Obverse: Diademed and cuirassed bust with forked beard; crescent to right. Reverse: Bust of Queen Ulfan or Artemis-Tyche (?), left. Size : 11 - 13 mm Weight: 2,2g Reference : - Sear GIC 5919, Mitchiner ACW 721 Provenance: Ex German auction house. OK...My doubt/questions...All seems ok except reverse to me shows Artemis standing right with bow and arrow allbeit more stylised ?! Number 2... Persia, Elymais, Southwest Iran Kamnaskires-Orodes ca. 35 BC( v.Chr.) - 100 AD ( n.Chr.) Unit: AE Drachm Obverse: Diademed and cuirassed bust facing with long beard and large bunches of hair at sides; pellet within crescent above anchor with two bars. Rosette pattern within right tuft of hair. Reverse: Field filled with ordered dashes. Size : 13 - 15,5 mm Weight: 3,6g Reference : SGIC 5910, Mitchiner ACW 719v., Dobbins Kamnaskires Orodes III A/2 Provenance: Ex German auction house. I think this is Orodes II ?! But I can only see 1 bar on the anchor symbol? And I think the obverse description is just a copy over from coin number 3? Number 3...and my favourite.. Persia, Elymais, Southwest Iran Kamnaskires-Orodes ca. 35 BC( v.Chr.) - 100 AD ( n.Chr.) Unit: AE Drachm Obverse: Diademed and cuirassed bust facing with long beard and large bunches of hair at sides; pellet within crescent above anchor with two bars. Rosette pattern within right tuft of hair. Reverse: Field filled with ordered dashes. Size : 13 - 15 mm Weight: 3,6g Reference : SGIC 5910, Mitchiner ACW 719v., Dobbins Kamnaskires Orodes III A/2 Provenance: Ex German auction house. I think this attribution seems ok? Wondering if Bob L or echizento could give me the van't Haaff reference numbers and where can I find out more info ..Many thanks in advance Saludos Paul Report this Post to the Staff

echizento Moderator United States 23731 Posts	Posted 10/02/2016 4:34 pm I like them, I'm just starting to collect these also and don't fell that I known enough yet to ID them correctly. Bob knows much more about these and I'm sure he will come along soon and help. I am glad to see more interest in these eastern coin types. Report this Post to the Staff
Kamnaskires Pillar of the Community United States 7066 Posts	Posted 10/02/2016 4:49 pm Yay! More Elymaeans! Nice pick-up's, Paul. Muy bien hecho! Using van't Haaff (the latest research on these): First: Prince A Late 2nd to early 3rd centuries AD Van't Haaff 19.1.1-1A Obv: Bust left, wearing diadem, beard as two rows of dots Rev: Artemis standing right, holding bow in one hand, plucking arrow from her quiver with the other hand Second: Orodes II Early to mid 2nd century AD Van't Haaff 13.3.2-2A Obv: Bust facing forward, wearing tiara with no crest, vertical line and dots at rim (worn away here), pellet within crescent and anchor with one crossbar to right Rev: Dashes with regular pattern Third: Kamnaskires-Orodes Early to mid 2nd century AD Van't Haaff 12.3.1-2A2 Obv: Bust with top hair tuft, upward side tufts, one crossbar on anchor, pellet within crescent at upper right Rev: Dashes with regular pattern Particularly nice example there! Report this Post to the Staff
Palouche Pillar of the Community Spain 2752 Posts	Posted 10/02/2016 5:30 pm Thanks Bob Really nice to know I've got a pro out there if when I get stuck. @ echizento...It was your posts that got me started on these coins...I'm sure you know a lot more than me I'm a bit unsure about the value of theses coins and whether I paid over the odds or not.. 9 euros 4,50 euros 7,50 euros...respectively...total 25,00 euros inc postage How did I do ? Saludos Paul Report this Post to the Staff
Kamnaskires Pillar of the Community United States 7066 Posts	Posted 10/02/2016 5:40 pm You did extremely well, Paul. Most dealers would list the Kamnaskires-Orodes or Prince A at over 25 Euros by itself (just for the one coin). Wow...you got a great deal! Report this Post to the Staff
Palouche Pillar of the Community Spain 2752 Posts	Posted 10/02/2016 6:14 pm Thanks Bob that's really good to know... I did check out some prices on v coins before bidding and thought the prices were good.There's a couple more sellers over here selling them at around 7/20 euros with various reverses ...eagles/bust of artemis etc For example this one I like @ 7,00 euros Does it look ok to you? Saludos Paul Report this Post to the Staff
Kamnaskires Pillar of the Community United States 7066 Posts	Posted 10/02/2016 6:27 pm Wow, good prices over there...I'd be jumping at these. Yep, the coin looks fine. Phraates Early to mid 2nd century AD Van't Haaff type 14.6 Report this Post to the Staff
Palouche Pillar of the Community Spain 2752 Posts	Posted 10/02/2016 6:35 pm OK Thanks for your time and expertise Bob I'll have a look tomorrow as to what I can afford.....Time to sleep.. Saludos Paul Report this Post to the Staff
chrsmat71 Pillar of the Community United States 4973 Posts	Posted 10/03/2016 12:51 am very nice artemis reverse! that type is on my "to get" list! Report this Post to the Staff
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