1610 / 1611 Commemorative Or Medal Or ?

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Cascade Pillar of the Community United States 7390 Posts	Posted 10/31/2016 11:10 am Can anyone ID this. Not sure if it's real or fake or what it is. Has rotated dies as the first 2 pics are exact vertical flip alignment. About the size of a half dollar. Thanks Report this Post to the Staff

Spence Moderator United States 34426 Posts	Posted 10/31/2016 9:12 pm "Foderunt foveam" = "they dug a pit", which matches the image in your second pic. I can't help any more though. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
Kamnaskires Pillar of the Community United States 7066 Posts	Posted 11/01/2016 08:55 am Similar here: http://centraalmuseum.nl/ontdekken/...ly=1#o:30650 Report this Post to the Staff
BigSilver Pillar of the Community United States 2843 Posts	Posted 11/01/2016 11:48 am building off of what Spencer worte, the other side reads In Eam Cicedrunt= In it they Fell So - "They dug a pit in 1610, and they fell in it in 1611? BTW I think that the date on the top is 1612. so this looks like it was struck in 1612 to commemorate events that began in 1610 and went sour in 1611. Fascinating. Report this Post to the Staff
Kamnaskires Pillar of the Community United States 7066 Posts	Posted 11/01/2016 11:03 pm Info from the site I linked to...some of this is choppy...using the translation function on the browser: Math Penning diameter 3.2 cm Inscriptions and marks:. FODERVNT [cross]. [weapon of Utrecht] Foveam [cross]; text front [cross] 16. 12 [cross] TO [cross] EAM [cross] CECIDERVNT; Title downside: 1611; Inscriptions front: 1610 Anonymous Utrecht. Bronze On the front two men dig a pit, a Spaniard looks on behind him with a crowd. Underneath the coat of arms of Utrecht. On the downside are two men in the pit, while the Spaniard walks away chuckling along with the crowd. The performance refers to the struggle for power in the city and the actions of the mayors Dirck Canter and Henry of Helsdingen in 1610 and their deposits in 1611. See Van Loon, part II, p. 82 Literature (3) Catalogue of the Historical Museum of the City [1928: coins, medals and stamps], inl. WC Schuylenburg. [Samenst. CH Young] (Utrecht, 1928) Catalogue of the Museum of Antiquities [1878], S. Muller Fz .. S. Muller Fz. (Utrecht, 1878 1878) Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34426 Posts	Posted 11/01/2016 11:06 pm You nailed it Bob. "Chuckling"? "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
Cascade Pillar of the Community United States 7390 Posts	Posted 11/02/2016 1:45 pm Wow guys thanks. You're a killer Bob! So are we thinking this is original? Can it be a restrike? Think there's any demand or is it just something cool? When I first saw it I was thinking about that Oak Island "Money Pit" lol Report this Post to the Staff
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